Paid to Play Video Games 250
acehole writes "This would have to be every gamer's dream, to get paid for playing games. In South Korea gaming has taken off to an extent that companies sponsor gaming teams (some earn up to $100k per year) to play games up to 12 hours a day."
we have this here. don't we? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:we have this here. don't we? (Score:5, Interesting)
www.fatal1ty.com [fatal1ty.com]
Re:we have this here. don't we? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:we have this here. don't we? (Score:2)
There's some American one, too.
So, before you start slamming on someone...well, you know, pot, kettle, black.
Re:we have this here. don't we? (Score:2)
but yes, we still do have this here. here in america, team 3D and the newly formed NoA are both paid by their sponsors and provided with a place to live, in addition to any prize money they might win. (in 3D's case, thats a pretty decent sum, since t
The next best thing (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The next best thing (Score:5, Funny)
MOD PARENT DOWN (Score:5, Funny)
12 hours? (Score:3, Funny)
Lightweights. I play longer than that, and for free.
Now... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Now... (Score:5, Funny)
Hoist by your own Petard (Score:2)
Um, so did the moderator who modded it "informative".
Virg
Maxis employees need luvin' too (Score:5, Interesting)
Not the same thing... or is it?
(And here I was feeling guilty over being a karma whore.)
Re:Maxis employees need luvin' too (Score:3, Funny)
Really.
Re:Maxis employees need luvin' too (Score:2)
brings new meaning to the term "cyber-sluts", though.
And then you die (Score:2, Interesting)
I guess gaming must be really big in South Korea, otherwise I don't see why you should sponsor people.
Re:And then you die (Score:3, Informative)
Re:And then you die (Score:2)
What the hell? (Score:5, Funny)
Obligatory Austin Powers Quote (Score:2, Funny)
Re:What the hell? (Score:2)
crap (Score:2)
Another example (Score:2, Funny)
Yet another example of the end of our civilation.
Reads like a nursery rhyme (Score:4, Interesting)
1) Guy finds out he can get paid to play games, can't believe his luck.
2) Guy discovers that he is actually expected to play all the time, and very, very well, in order to keep getting paid.
3) Guy stresses out under the pressure and ponders his sorry fate.
I say, quit your crying, kid! You should come over to the US of A, and see how talented youth are really exploited [indystar.com]...
worst nightmare (Score:5, Funny)
Re:worst nightmare (Score:3, Funny)
Lucky Bastard. You at least lose to a teenager. I usually get my ass kicked by my eleven-year-old nephew.
Not just in South Korea... (Score:5, Informative)
ill pass... (Score:5, Insightful)
Imagine getting evicted just because you missed that headshot in the tournament playoffs. That sort of pressure would stop me enjoying the games, which sort of defeats the purpose of playing them in the first place.
Re:ill pass... (Score:2)
I wonder if professional soccer, baseball, [insert pro sport here] atheletes develop this same attitude? Aren't they also getting paid to play a game and the pressure is on to play well? And these vid gamers are getting paid a fraction of what top earning physical sport players pull down.
Re:ill pass... (Score:5, Insightful)
I went bowling yesterday with a couple friends, and we all suck, but we had lots of fun. A couple lanes down, there was a teenager there all by himself, scoring 230+, but getting all pissed off at himself whenever he missed a strike. He didn't look like he was having a good time.
Re:ill pass... (Score:5, Insightful)
I think it's safe to say that the same goes for games, whether it's computer games, or pro sports. You just probably wouldn't typically play the same shit in your off time as you do for money. (Though I know that pro football (no, not soccer) players who don't hate each other will play on the beach or whatever as well as for money.
Besides, any decent manager of any team in any sport, on or offline, knows that it's not one person who makes or breaks a game, it's a whole team. If it comes down to that one headshot, then the rest of the team hasn't been doing THEIR job. If you're missing all your shots all day, then that's one thing, but if it's just one miss, it could happen to anyone. Video gaming has one thing in common with auto racing (besides that you might be playing a racing game) in that there is a lot of hardware between you and your goal, and it has to cooperate with you as well. In soccer you might blow out a shoe, but in racing you might lose any one of many critical parts, and in the case of a computer there are just as many things which could go wrong, on both sides of the hardware/software barrier.
The definition of a great job is one in which you do what you love.
Re:ill pass... (Score:2)
Re:ill pass... (Score:2)
I know you were just tr
how about eye strain? (Score:2)
If you spent your whole day programming, I don't know if you want to come home and do some programming too. Or if you spend your whole day installing, configuring and supporting computer systems, I don't know if you want to come home and mess around with Linux.
Sivaram Velauthapillai
It would get old (Score:2)
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Tonight, Live on TV: Starcraft Tournament Finals (Score:5, Interesting)
"It seems Li-hun should have sent a few more Zergs to that narrow pass, what do you think John ?"
"You are right, now watch as the Protoss break through in a classic destroy-the-Hatchery offensive. He used this in last year's finals to great effect."
"Right -- but wait -- Li Hun opened up a second front down in the SE corner of the map !"
(...)
I never did watch such a thing on TV here in the west, but I guess it would be interesting to see some pro-guys playing a game which I have tried to master, and figuring out how they think.
Once that happens, well, sponsors are the natural next step.
Re:Tonight, Live on TV: Starcraft Tournament Final (Score:3, Interesting)
Ok, call me a geek but I think I would actually find this interesting. Of course, they'd have to be able to freely spectate within the game so that they could fully show the audience what was going on. And I actually want them to talk to the participants and get the lowdown on what their strategy is for the current game. Of course, this means you can't let the other team overhear them.
I'm thinking Iro
Sounds live G4TV arena... (Score:2)
Ruger
I was teaching English over there.... (Score:2, Informative)
Starcraft: They LOVE Starcraft. Besides
Quake TV (Score:2)
Well it sounded almost as you imagined (though Q3 is much more fast-paced than SC).
"Fabulous shotgun action here from Lexer"
"Fatal1ty now has 138 armor, 167 health and on his way to grab that red armor again"
etc. etc.
we have this now in the states (Score:2)
These teams clearly aren't pro and often don't even really use teamwork (occasionally they split screen between the
I used to be #1 in Starcraft (Score:2)
If I didn't quit, I guarantee I'd be over in Korea now.
They treat gamers like popstars, so you not only make money, all the fine honeys want you.
Re:Tonight, Live on TV: Starcraft Tournament Final (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Tonight, Live on TV: Starcraft Tournament Final (Score:2)
Usally not. The league will have a list of known forbidden bugs, which can get you ejected (they try to get them patched or modded, so the game software can referee instead of a human). But someone who finds a new "bug" (more likely a balance oversight by the game designers) isn't often penalized. (The bug may be added to the forbidden list, of course, but they don't seem to punish retroactively)
(ie. If a balance change in Starcraft fu*ks up a pro's strat
12 hours a day, every day? (Score:3, Informative)
More seriously though, 12 hours a day at a job in Korea doesn't seem like such a big deal. I have a friend from Korea who moved here about 25 years ago. He says he gets calls from friends at home who are about to go back to work at about 1am their time, having just worked MORE than a full day already. It seems like adults there do almost nothing BUT work -- literally, not like "workaholics" over here. 12 hours a day doesn't seem so bad compared to that.
How do you goof off? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:How do you goof off? (Score:3, Funny)
Games for money.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Games for money.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Honestly, do you think they are doing some double entry accounting at night to blow off steam from playing games all day?
Re:Games for money.. (Score:2)
I would venture that pro-athletes for the most part know they are going to make enough money to support themselves. If a pro-athlete has a bad season, loses a fight, etc they still get paid. If you are a pro gamer and you fly out to these tournaments and you have a bad day? You get nothing. You lose the money you spent on a plane ticket
When I was playing on the OGL ladder [slashdot.org] for Unr
Re:Games for money.. (Score:2)
I'm by no means a hardcore gamer (for instance, I haven't even touched my gaming machine in over a month - and I don't have a console other than the NES). The thing is, I get incredibly bored with most RTS games within 10 to 15 minutes due to their sameness and lack of anything different. I played WarCraft 1 and 2 nearly obsessively, and Starcraft nearly as much - they were all fairly large leaps gameplay quality over anything prior and anything at the time. I
Re:Games for money.. (Score:2)
C&C generals was actually the first RTS I played more than once or twice. I found after playing for 1-2 weeks the AI was painfully dumb. Are most RTS games that bad?
And, despite all the 'cool' 3D rendered models and cutscenes, Generals still wasn't as graphi
Re:Games for money.. (Score:2)
Yes, most of them are that bad. However, it seems to me that Westwood is a particularly bad proponent of bad AI. I suspect they get away with it for several reasons.
One, most people aren't intelligent enough to notice. It's much more difficult to distinguish bad tactics (especially when 90% of what your opponent does is hidden from you)
Re:Games for money.. (Score:2)
Rushing is part of RTS games... get used to it man. Not dissing you... just saying it's part of the genre. If you don't get used to it, you'll NEVER really get into RTS games. Think of it as a high-risk tactic where the enemy is sacrificing everything for an early win (if they lose the rush, you usually have the advantage). The only time I am against rushing is when the game is unbalanced. I haven't
ouch (Score:5, Funny)
A new low... (Score:2, Funny)
And I thought it was bad the day I turned on ESPN2, only to see the exciting Scrabble championship being televised, complete with commentators.
Even better, now, instead of actually playing a video game myself, I can turn on the TV and watch someone else play a game! From this day forward I will live vicariously through professional video gamers.
Job wanted! Will make games, not play, for $100K (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd be willing to provide something tangible for my salary!!!!
Oh, no! (Score:2, Funny)
Aha! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Aha! (Score:5, Funny)
That's easy
Lotts of circles and ovels: Korean
Looks like french with little squiggles: Vietnamease
Has a little goldfish looking character about every ten letters: Japanese
Everything else is probably Chinese.. Or will be Chinese when China invades them in 2013.
That's nice and all... (Score:3, Insightful)
It's that old addage. Never turn your favorite hobby into your job. It'll stop being your hobby and it'll stop being your favorite thing todo.
Re:That's nice and all... (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah, 'cause look at all those programmers who get a job doing it, then hate programming and quit doing it. Oh, wait, that doesn't happen very often.
Well, look at the kids who love to play football, then wind up in the NFL, hate football and quit playing. Oh, wait, that doesn't happen very often.
Well, look at all the guys who love to fly, then get jobs as commercial pilots, so they hate flying and quit. Oh, wait, that doesn't happen.
Every example I can think of where people turn an avocation into a vocation, it's by and large their dream job.
Wait, I know; what about that guy who started a little geek news web site, then get hired by big software companies to run it and decided he hated it and shut it down.
Re:That's nice and all... (Score:2)
Many football players, judging by their whining interviews, hate playing the game, but are blessed with good genetics and, well, like the money.
Working for a major airline, I met a lot of pilots who hated flying, but loved the money.
What's the common thread? Money. I don't know of anyone who wanted to be a fry cook at McDonald's that's still a fry cook at McDonald's strictly for the money.
yes.. because.. (Score:2)
Re:yes.. because.. (Score:2)
so what are your genetics good for? (Score:2)
Re:That's nice and all... (Score:2)
Almost everyone I work with now hates the damn things as well. For me, the only reason I stay is because I'
Re:That's nice and all... (Score:2)
Yes, but how often do they do it outside of work? I used to love coding fun stuff in my spare time, playing with hardware, etc... now I try to avoid such things as much as possible outside of work.
Yeah, but... (Score:3, Funny)
Is it just me... (Score:2)
CPL Winter Event (Score:2)
The CPL (www.thecpl.com) has a winter event that is just about to begin in Dallas, TX, USA as we speak, with around $200,000 USD in winnings. Games are Counter-Strike and Halo PC. They generally have 2 events a year, of at least this caliber. There are also similar organizations holding equally large tournaments. Pro gaming is becoming a reality in the US and Europe too!
For those interested in finding out what happens, who wins, etc - the play-by-play is at www.gotfrag.com [gotfrag.com] (a tiny plug)!
Not quite sponsorship, but... (Score:2)
Smithsonian's Korea Article "did" this (Score:3, Interesting)
The article's framed as a look at the time since the Korean war, so the modern "PC bang" culture in the South makes a nice contrast. Detail:
What's interesting is the difference in cultures (Score:5, Interesting)
What I find interesting is the different approach the koreans have to the western 'under the table' idea. The korean channels broacast Lineage, warcraft, starcraft, and several other types of games on multiple tv channels with full commentary. I don't know, but I'd bet that online auctions of lineage crap are known and accepted as well. It seems like here we still believe that games are for kids, and that the resale of virtual items or profiting from gaming is some kind of taboo. What's funny is that this is the classic setup for something that's destined to be 'cool' and accepted in the future (starts as a taboo).
I'm betting that its only a matter of time before this becomes the norm in the US as well. I know it seems alien, but most folx who have played the high end (or aspired too) of these games knows that it CAN be entertaining to watch how people setup strategies and outthink the environments. The next generation of Blizzard game (world of Warcraft) has the potential to bridge this gap between the us and the koreans quite quickly, and I'll be interested to see if these 'odd' parts of their culture don't become more common here as well.
see you online - chitlenz
Re:What's interesting is the difference in culture (Score:2)
Re:What's interesting is the difference in culture (Score:2, Insightful)
I'd so no. To clarify, everquest and games like it (MMORPGS) require a great deal of time to get anywhere (I'll give you that), but the true skill of playing is more an exercise in social organization and strategy (what I presume you are alluding to.. as in Warcraft/starcraft which seem to prevail on the korean circuit atm). By strategy, I mean the ability to progress beyond where the average gamer can go, gamers I might add that many times are able to and do sink as much time
This is great until.... (Score:4, Funny)
To me... (Score:2)
I loved doing web development as a hobby. I got a job doing it, and now it all seems just like work to me, I dont even really do any for fun anymore, all the 'fun' aspect of it seemed to have bled out of it.
I wonder if the same thing would happen if I were asked to play games as my job though.
But... it is games.... and 100k a year..so it's hard to say.
Not the direction I'd like to see... (Score:4, Interesting)
We've seen sales in these markets slide a bit (of course helped by Internet companies) which I can partially attest to the fact that a lot of our regulars spend much of their afternoons with video game systems rather than going outside.
As each year progresses, I see more and more fat and lethargic kids who have less and less desire to really do anything. I remember my days (I'm 30) of video games back with Atari and Intellivision and Coleco, and they rarely occupied more than an hour an evening, if that. Sleepovers might be all night of video gaming, but those were rare too. We preferred skateboarding or laser tag in the evenings.
My thought the other day was that we'd soon see corporations sponsoring video game teams like my shop sponsors skate, BMX, and paint teams. This article brings that fear to fruition.
Of course, this is what the market wants, so I support the decisions that those people make, even if I disagree with the general movement. I just hate seeing kids en masse dropping any kind of athletic activity because of laziness. New video games ARE cool looking, but nothing woos the young ladies better than extreme sports!
fun? (Score:2)
One: Choice is one of the most important factors for fun. If you can't choose anymore what or when or how or how long you do something, then the fun will evaporate quickly.
Two: 12 hours? In most of the western world, as a workday that'd be illegal. And spending that time in front of a screen will damage your health.
Three: One word: Managers.
If there's a company involved, then there are managers involved. I don't think I need
All play and no work (Score:5, Funny)
I bet (Score:3, Insightful)
I've done something similar (Score:3, Interesting)
I literally spent 8 hours a day for five days playing that game. By the second day, my eyes were burning at the end of the day. Once I finished playing it, I put it down, and to this day I have never played it again. I've played Myth I, but never Myth II.
Not just computer games (Score:3, Interesting)
Where's my money? (Score:2, Funny)
tournaments (Score:2, Interesting)
There is only one thing.. (Score:2, Funny)
Getting laid for playing video games.
Sounds fair (Score:3, Interesting)
Watching someone tear through a classic game you used to spend hours on as a kid and go from start to finish in under 30 minutes has got to be worth $100K/year.
Howard Phillips anyone? (Score:2, Interesting)
"Why do you think video games make children violent?"
"They don't."
"Let's try again. Why do you think video games make children violent?"
"They don't.
not soo much different (Score:2, Interesting)
Look where baseball and football are today.
Maybe all these hours of rtcw enemy territory will pay off
Reminds me of (Score:2)
Drugs + Competitive gaming (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Funny story... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Possible limits on future career choices... (Score:3, Insightful)
This depends all on what kind of job you're going for. I'd love to be able to put "Professional Game Player" on my resume. That way, when I apply to EA Games or id Software for a game testing job, I'd have had a professionally documented position with a company known for sponsoring good game players. And I'd definately have an advantage over the MIT guy who's wa
Re:Possible limits on future career choices... (Score:2)
Trust me, the guy at MIT would currently get picked over you. Make sure that you're we
Re:Possible limits on future career choices... (Score:2)
Re:Possible limits on future career choices... (Score:2)
In addition, none of this matters. If someone can make $100k or even $40k, they should do it. When you graduate from school, it doesn't mean you'll get a job. I've been pretty much unemployed since I graduated from unversity 3 years ago and so