RedOctane Pushes DDR For Weight Loss Market 137
Thanks to EWorldWire for reprinting a RedOctane press release advocating rhythm-based game Dance Dance Revolution for extreme weight loss, and using the story of Tanya Jessen, "who lost 95 lbs. playing DDR." The piece also points out: "A person weighing 150 lbs burns an average of 16 calories per song playing the latest Dance Dance Revolution game. In just one hour of playing it's possible for a person to burn around 640 calories, compared to only burning 501 calories jogging." RedOctane also has an official GetUpMove site, complete with before and after pictures, noting that "...most Dance Dance Revolution games have a Workout Mode which tracks the number of calories you burn while dancing", though RedOctane's own motivation for this diet push is to sell you their high-end DDR pads.
If it works, do it... (Score:5, Insightful)
#1 Finding exercise I would do. In my case, an indoor rockclimbing gym provides my workout, and a good puzzle for the mind as well. BTW, exercise itself doesn't cause weight loss, but will help you keep weight off and muscle helps you burn more calories even when at rest.
#2 Finding replacement foods. This means examining everything you eat. Replace the fast food hamburger with a 6" sub to start. Find a place with a salad bar. Get a "light" cooking book. Some of the stuff is horrible, but you will find a dish here, a dish there, that works.
#3 Change your routines. If you have a habit of snacking to give yourself a break, find something else to do during breaktime. I personally have a gameboy with puzzle games on it that can be played in 5-10 minutes. Makes for a great break without attacking the snack machine.
I applaud anyone who can figure a way to make a profit while bringing waistlines back under control. Weight induced illness is more likely than cancer to strike you if you get heavy, and can cause diabetic conditions, heart conditions and generally won't get you the girl/guy of your dreams. If playing DDR can get you healthy, high end DDR pads are cheaper than bypass surgery...
Re:If it works, do it... (Score:2)
Re:If it works, do it... (Score:2)
Aside from that, it's horribly dull. I gained this weight because I spend the whole day sitting on a very comfortable rocking chair, in front of my computer. If only I had some way of hacking my bike to interface with th
Re:If it works, do it... (Score:1)
My own personal favorite machine is a rowing machine like these. [concept2.com] You don't need one near as expensive though, just make sure its got the fan. It builds the body and acts as a cardio machine. The
Re:If it works, do it... (Score:2)
Not bad for under $120, assuming you have a decent bike and a PS2 to go with it.
Re:If it works, do it... (Score:3, Insightful)
All of us geeks like caffeine to get motivated in the morning, during work, etc. A lot of guys I know get this through Mountain Dew or Jolt or coffee.
My suggestion is switching to unsweetened iced tea, or black coffee. Soda and non black coffee obvoiusly have lots of sugar in them, and as far as trying to stay thin goes, processed sugar is the worst food you can eat. Also, unsweetened iced tea has no calories and black coffee has ver
Re:If it works, do it... (Score:1)
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Re:If it works, do it... (Score:4, Informative)
Solution: start walking UNTIL you can walk for more than 5 minutes, then work up to 6 minutes. eventually you'll work up your way up to 10 minutes. hooray. and so on.
funny thing about exercise, the more you need it the harder it is to do it. but movement is exercise, keep moving and you'll eventually stop being fat. get the fuck off your chair, go outside and walk around on the grass, skip the after dinner twinkie, park a few spaces farther than you need to, don't take the elevator for less than 2 floors, go to your local fitness palce and aqua-size! AQUASIZE MOTHERFUCKER AQUASIZE!!
get creative.
exercising is not easy or fun, but you can trick yourself into thinking so.
i was overweight at one point, not 400 pounds or anything cuz.. goddamn 400 pounds and holding or rising is just apathy-- but yeah i was like 200 some odd pounds when i was in middle school and that's not socially fun. i was fat and tired. but i kept moving, swimming, running, whatever. i wish i had ddr and pump it up back then to get me in the shape i am now.
Re:If it works, do it... (Score:2, Funny)
but you'll gain it all back . . . (Score:1)
. . when girls realise how you excersize, and never go on second dates with you. :)
I'm sticking to the strict regimine of sex.
Re:but you'll gain it all back . . . (Score:1)
Re:but you'll gain it all back . . . (Score:1)
Re:but you'll gain it all back . . . (Score:1)
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Thanks, but... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Thanks, but... (Score:1, Informative)
Huh. (Score:3, Interesting)
More information at Stepmania [stepmania.com] - even more if they ever get their board back from ddrmaniax.
Re:Huh. (Score:3, Interesting)
The soft pads will break after heavy use. They also are less accurate and will piss you off when you start to get good, which you will do if you keep at it.
I wasted a lot of time and money on soft and semi-soft pads. Now I have some Cobalt Fluxes (the red octane metal
Re:Huh. (Score:1)
($90 _was_ cheap for a pair of semisofts, considering I was in the middle of a MAME
Re:Huh. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Huh. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Huh. (Score:2)
But in any case, the RedOctane Ignition and clones are only good for about 200 hours of serious use before they break down. Unless you're strapped for cash or are going to be moving around a lot, I recommend going straight from the cheap pads to the $200 RedOctane Metal, which lasts essentially forever.
Oh, and regarding Level Six, they took my money in October for a ~$75 order and never sent me a goddamn thing, including a
Re:Huh. (Score:2)
And doesn't the RO hardpad still need ter's MMB fixes to keep it from croaking eventually?
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Re:My girlfriend is doing it CAUSE she saw it on M (Score:1)
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Re:My girlfriend is doing it CAUSE she saw it on M (Score:1)
I'm trying to gauge the market for these products.
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Re:My girlfriend is doing it CAUSE she saw it on M (Score:2)
when I trained for cycling (Score:2)
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Re:when I trained for cycling (Score:1)
Re:when I trained for cycling (Score:2)
You gotta use IE to see the site, though.
I have to admit.... (Score:1)
cost / benefit ratio (Score:4, Insightful)
I prefer to spend $30/month on a gym membership. You get numerous cardio machines, free weights, weight lifting machines, and often aerobics/yoga/kickboxing thrown into the mix.
Ultimately, it's about having discipline and consistency. No matter how much money you spend or don't spend.
To quote Arnold:
I've never paid for a push-up or a sit-up in my life.
Re:cost / benefit ratio (Score:1)
Re:cost / benefit ratio (Score:1)
(And I'm actually considering one. *sigh*)
Re:cost / benefit ratio (Score:2, Informative)
To top it off, it comes with a conversion box, so if a buddy feels like getting a real good work hauling his XBox over, you can plug that into the same pad for some DDR UltraMix action.
Re:cost / benefit ratio (Score:1)
DDR Freak [ddrfreak.com] has a nice forum [ddrfreak.com] about the pros and cons of the various metal pads.
Re:cost / benefit ratio (Score:1)
Re:cost / benefit ratio (Score:1)
I concur. I also think that like going to the gym, it's funner when you have a buddy to go with. DDR is alot funner with two or more dancepads (xbox version supports 4).
It takes me about an hour or so to go through most the songs (skipping a few) on light level for ultramix. Keeping it consistent. I don't think my neighbors downstairs like me a lot now though. lol.
I can see how... (Score:2, Funny)
Mewyn Dy'ner
You can dance under Linux, too (Score:4, Informative)
Re:You can dance under Linux, too (Score:1)
Re:I JUST HAD AN AWESOME IDEA!!! (Score:2)
I have a dxr3 equipped box for these things and what you know, there was a sdl patch for dxr3 driver floating around once
built-in scale (Score:1)
It would be a cool feature if these high-end redoctane metal pads have built-in weight scales similarly to the high-end gym equipments.
Re:built-in scale (Score:2)
Problem solved?
With Linux? (Score:1)
DDR for keyboards (Score:1)
Just go to Flash Flash Revolution [flashflashrevolution.com] to get your keyboard dancing groove on.
Another two cents (Score:4, Funny)
He goes crazy without excercise, and now he gets his sanity from DDR. Every day. For a few hours. He loves that shit. It's particularly funny to me 'n' the rest of his friends just because he's the opposite of a video game type person, and he used to continually mock the asia-phile mallrats that typically play the game.
Double Data Rate? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Double Data Rate? (Score:2)
few thoughts (Score:2)
-3 hours a day? Yikes, I'm a little less impressed w/ the power of the DDR power. Who the hell has that kind of time?
-also, there's a big difference between the arcade mode most people play and even the lighter 'workout' modes, at least on the DDR pads I have...the latter is much tougher to keep up with
Re:few thoughts (Score:2)
No wonder she lost weight.
Re:few thoughts (Score:1)
Those green bowls make you FAT!
That's why I stick to the red and beige ones.
More about MTV and Team Seattle (Score:1, Interesting)
More calories and more fun than jogging (Score:2)
It may not be feasable for everyone, but cycling has replaced my car (and saved me a metric assload of money as well). This is in Calgary, a city with very cold winters and serious urban sprawl going on, although it also has an excellent public transit/bike path system.
Anyway, it's just a thought. There are some excellent bike-commuting solutions out there. It's excellent exercise, good for the environmen
Re:More calories and more fun than jogging (Score:2)
But on a side note. You may burn more calories doing this dance thing than you do jogging- but not more than running. Jogging is o.k. if you are just getting started, but as your fitness level increases and you move to running- the benefits increase.
Re:More calories and more fun than jogging (Score:1)
The biggest downside is having a tub labelled Huggies in your desk. They've started making non-baby themed wipes, but last I saw they wer
Re:More calories and more fun than jogging (Score:1)
That only works for people who stop sweating after they stop exercising. That's not me. I usually need to cool down for at least 20 minutes before I stop sweating.
Re:More calories and more fun than jogging (Score:2)
Though they are available [www.mec.ca] I don't use them personally. Calgary, while cold, is also remarkably dry. When we do get snow, it rarely lasts more than a day on a surface that is travelled even remotely often. Once the snow is pounded into slush, it's absorbed in short order by the dry air and becomes dry pavement. (This is merely my observations compared to other places I've lived, and is not scientific in any way)
Besides, cycling on snow/ice/slush isn't reall
I've been trying this kind of. (Score:2, Interesting)
However, I have noticed that I feel significantly better and have way more energy. I am a pretty active guy (snowboarding, hiking, etc), but I've never got exercise with this kind of regularity before (even when I was fencing competitively in high school, I o
Re:I've been trying this kind of. (Score:2)
Working out + diet = the ultimately 2 step combo
Ignition Pad availabilty and a Grain of Salt (Score:4, Interesting)
Here's my grain of salt: you play 3 songs in 6 minutes because of the selection process, load times, etc. That's actually 30 songs and roughly equates to 30*16= 480 calories. You actually lose more if you're a beginner, because you make missteps. And, if you're using diet mode, don't use official steps, as it only counts correct arrows pressed. Use the default, all steps mode. If your leg moves, count it!
I'd also say that a typical cookie box has more than 500 calories. Much more. Much, much more.
Now, I have no experience with the latest Ignition pads. I do know they're available at EB and Gamestop. I know they're considered the best of the soft pads. But be warned! Every soft pad has a limited lifespan. When one arrow stops working, the rest of the pad is useless.
Three things to counter this: Use stocking feet, place the pad on top of something immobile and soft, and never ever fold it once unfolded. Keep it under the bed or behind the sofa. You will also have a much easier time if you immobilize the pad with velcro (the hooks side) on carpet or taped down by corners.
Ignition pads are the same size as arcade platform, while the bundle pack by Konami's pad is actually thinner. You can apply your home skills at the arcade, though you may be surprised at the faster response time and meaner judging of PERFECT, GREAT, GOOD, etc. at the arcade.
Oh yeah, if you play for an hour, have a towel handy and a lot of water.
Re:Ignition Pad availabilty and a Grain of Salt (Score:3, Informative)
Working out in stocking feet may increase the lifetime of the pad, but it's hell on your body.
All impact activity should be done with proper arch support. It is pretty easy to destroy your arches, and develop long-term lower leg pains from improper footwear.
Anytime you're jumping up and down, or running, for long periods you need to be wearing good shoes for the activity - this goes doubly if you're overweight!
Re:Ignition Pad availabilty and a Grain of Salt (Score:2)
Since using those, I have had no problems with sore feet. They absorb nearly all of the shock and have held up well over the past two months.
Re:Ignition Pad availabilty and a Grain of Salt (Score:2)
You're confused.
The game will only count correct steps if you're playing in "Regulation Mode", which is selectable in the Options menu. Otherwise, it'll count calories regardless of whether or not your steps are correct.
Whether or not you use official steps (as opposed to Edit Data) has nothing to do with it. I think you just got confused.
You
Re:Ignition Pad availabilty and a Grain of Salt (Score:2)
I played Diet mode on XBox last night using the bundled, flat soft pad. I have no idea how durable it is, but it has a tacky underside that prevents it from slipping on a bare floor! That's a first.
First, the estimate by Red Octane is indeed conservative. It estimates you're using LIGHT and STANDARD steps for all songs. In 30 songs, which took one hour but clocked 46 minutes of actual song time, I "burned" 680 calories. I'm not sure if
Am I the only one? (Score:2, Redundant)
YKYR/.TMW...
Re:Am I the only one? (Score:2)
Yes, it does work (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, RedOctane does sell some expensive gear, but if you really like playing DDR it's well worth it if you want to play at home. Some people have indicated that the Ignition pads (their top of the line soft pad) doesn't last very long. I can't confirm how long they last, but a local club has 8 of them. 6 of them still work a year after they were purchased (with numerous people jumping on them like crazy every wednesday except during the summer) and the 2 that don't work seem to have a problem with controller somewhere (the sensors still work!).
Regarding the weight loss, it is not immediately evident! Expect to actually gain a little weight first for those of you who are scale crazy (you know, it's those muscle things). You have to gain some muscle to actually move around before you can start burning up excess fat.
Also, just like any other workout, don't forget to warm up!! Stretch before you begin. Start off with easier songs. Etc. I swear I almost gave myself a heart attack last night because I just stepped right on to the pad and attempted Maxx Unlimited (for those who are curious, I made it to the freeze, though I have passed before...yes, on Maniac difficulty).
Also, don't get discouraged if you can't do it! Some people I know who are actually quite good now couldn't even pass "one footers" (the easiest under the difficulty ranking system) when they started. Practice, and you *will* get better (nobody just steps onto a DDR machine and starts playing on Maniac).
Also remember that you can check it out before committing to anything in the way of home gaming. Many arcades now have DDR machines in them. Usually you can get three songs (if you don't fail) for $0.75-$1.00 just to try out. Many arcades now won't even fail you on your first song if you're playing on basic difficulty (called light on newer arcades).
Anyway, give it a try if you're interested. There's certainly nothing to lose, other than weight!
--MonMotha
calorie count? (Score:3, Interesting)
Uh, in my workouts I usually burn 900 to 1000 calories an hour, be it jogging or cycling.
It's simply a function of intensity, so where does the number "501 calories for an hour of jogging" come in? I can see that someone a bit out of shape can only output so much energy, but to be specific to 500 and ONE calories?
Re:calorie count? (Score:3, Insightful)
Running at 5 mph, weighing 150 lbs. gets you closer, and running at a good solid pace puts you well over 640.
I think they c
Re:calorie count? (Score:1)
Re:calorie count? (Score:2)
I do mostly use the monitor to know exactly how intense my workout is, and the calorie count is just a number I look at at the end of a workout for comparisons sake.
BTW, I am a liberal, but thought that you'd like a reply.
I lost weight/inches with DDR (Score:3, Interesting)
Why? I live in Minnesota, so for half the year it's kind of hard to go outside for some kind of exercise. So I needed something that I could do indoors, as well. I have a PS2, so a friend recommended Dance Dance Revolution. I've been doing DDR for a little over a year (starting with DDR:Konamix), and of course now I'm doing DDR:Max2. I've been pretty good about getting 4-5 days a week of ~40min doing DDR. I do 1-2 "green" songs (easy), 1-2 "blue" songs (moderate), then the rest of the time I'm doing "yellow" (very difficult).
Actually, I just bought one of RedOctane's high-end Dance pads (the metal one), but not because of this article. All that jumping around takes a good toll on my Dance pads. An off-the-shelf pad usually lasts me a few months. My current Dance pad is starting to get a little flaky. That's why I started looking around for a better pad, and found the RedOctane pads were highly recommended on several forums. Lots of people have had good reports about this pad. It's very sturdy, and should last a few *years*.
Also, I've lost quite a bit of weight over the last year - I'm down to 224, and I've lost ~4 inches. Some of that is diet (I don't eat as much red meat, I eat oatmeal for breakfast, and I've cut out almost all of my snacks) but most of it is due to getting more exercise with DDR. I had to buy a whole new wardrobe, but I don't really mind. :-)
Re:I lost weight/inches with DDR (Score:2, Funny)
Re:I lost weight/inches with DDR (Score:1)
The Green songs are the songs or mixes that are new to DDRMax2.
The blue ones are songs or mixes that have appeared exactly the same in other DDR mixes/versions.
The yellow ones are the regular songs you have to unlock.
The pink ones are only playable in Challenge mode (and also must be unlocked). They are all remixes of other songs in DDRMax2.
The red ones also must be unlocked. They are extra difficult.
Re:I lost weight/inches with DDR (Score:1)
Personally I try to go for a fruit heavy diet with lots of lean meat like chicken and avoid most carbs.
DDR for Gamecube? (Score:2)
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Sweet Lawd (Score:2)
Good for the entire family (Score:3, Informative)
I'm a 43 year old lifetime (sedentary) computer geek with the body to prove it. I founded several start-ups and let them devour my 'free' time and that included any exercise time. My family (wife and two teens) followed my bad example.
Until 4 months ago, when I bought DDR/Konamix for PS1 and a cheap plastic pad. My daughter had played before and showed me how not to return my foot to center. That was all I needed. Within a month, I had a metal pad (as the soft pad would slide under my ample frame) and was dancing an hour every night. Soon my wife (who has never danced) was along side me learning how to dance. She'll be up to the three-footers in game-mode any time now.
In the last two weeks, friends of the kids have come over three times to play on our (now all metal) DDR pads w/front-projected screen. I even dance along. [I think they get a kick that an 'old guy' can out dance them! I know I do.] They've even brought over a PS2 and the latest versions.
My son, who doesn't do anything athletic, is even playing some with his friends, even though he has the least skill at this point.
My weight loss results haven't been as pronounced as anyone here, but I'm amazed how DDR has turned an entire family of internet-addicts into people actually getting a healthy dose of exercise.
...is it just me? (Score:1)
Re:...is it just me? (Score:1)
Re:...is it just me? (Score:2)
Guess what: Personality matters just as much as looks.
I lost 20 pounds playing DDR + diet changes (Score:2)
My basic formula was a 1500 calorie a day diet + burning 400-450 calories a day via DDR workout mode. Doing this Iost about 20 pounds in two or three months. I was 160 before, I'm 140 now, height is 5'10. The entire process was easy and pretty fun. 20 pounds was a lot of weight lost for me, as I wasn't really overweight to start.
Note the calories burned estimate from workout mode is probably not accurate, but that doesn't really matter, what matters is I was burning ab
Re:I lost 20 pounds playing DDR + diet changes (Score:2)
Re:I lost 20 pounds playing DDR + diet changes (Score:2)
In general, songs with freeze arrows will involve less stepping, and thus be less exercise.
The goal in this case being exercise.
OK, I'm Sold! (Score:1)
Now as I understand it, this DDR game takes several pieces of equipment, right? A board, a playstation(?), and a TV. I have a TV. Can someone give me a quick synopsis of how all this works? Where would one buy it?
Thanks.
How to set up a good PS2/DDR station (Score:1)
You will have the best luck with a hard floor with very thin carpet, a good TV with stereo sound, a PS2 that won't fall down if you accidentally kick the cable, one of Konami's "DDR MAX" series of games, and a $20-$30 "beat pad" or "dance mat" from just about anyone. Nothing sp
The pictures leave something to be desired... (Score:2)
Want better before pictures? (Score:4, Interesting)
Self built semi hard pad (Chubby Pad) (Score:1)
Re:Not exactly true... (Score:1)
Also, the cheapo mats(which have absoutely nothing to crush in them except the sensors, and those will take quite a bit wouldn't break if a heavy person stepped on them. The only danger with the cheap ones is that they can tear and get folded and crushed etc., which won't start to be a problem until you reach advanced levels of course
Re:Not exactly true... (Score:1)
If you're that out of shape your biggest problem will probably be building up enough endurance to get a good work out, not the hardware failing.
Re:handle fat people? (Score:2)
Anyone above 300 pounds who is looking to exercise with DDR can do one of three things:
1) Purchase a Cobalt Flux [cobaltflux.com] hard pad - their claim to faim is that they ran over their pad with an SUV and it still worked just fine
2) Purchase a knock-off hard pad (MyMyBox, Red Octane's hard pads) or build your o