by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Sunday September 12, 2004 @07:49PM (#10231259)
I'm really happy every time I see an update on the underground DC development. Its great to see some solid hardware released that is extremely affordable ($15 at regular retail stores!) and flexible enough to develop tons of applications for. Not to mention the amount of fun you get out of it. It's an exponential return on your investment.
Without a doubt though there will be countless people trashtalking this very post in a very short time. Why? "Dreamcast is dead", "Why would you want to waste your time with an old system?" "Don't you have a life?" "I bet you can't get laid!" Etc. etc. etc.
I see it every time, but I don't think people even stop and think about the crap that comes out of their minds when looking at a project someone put time into on a dead platform. They're too far gone and completely owned by the media. My point is: why do you people bother living? It's like you're dead already, seeing that a multi-million dollar corporation has it's fist firmly placed up your rectum and flapping your jaws away with whatever they'd like to hear you say. You should really stop and think where you get these ideas, and when you ask yourself: "Why do I clown on people modding old hardware", check yourself as soon as you hear that little voice say "because it's lame!". Is that really the reason? Where do you get that idea? Is it because the PS2 and Xbox look soooo much sexier on those MTV commercials? Because the voice on the radio tells you what to like? Just like they tell you when to be angry, sad or happy and what breakfast cereal to buy?
So yeah, that's about all I have to say. When you come into this forum and start trolling around other peoples hobbies, just remember to finish all your sentences with nice, clear "Mooo" so we all know where you stand.
He does make a good point though. All the PS2/GC/XB fan boys will bang on about it, when the DC is a fantastic machine. Dirt cheap. Tons of home brew stuff. If you're not against downloading you can pretty much get every game ever made. (Not that you can get the majority through legitimate channels anyway.)
It's criminal the machine died. It's easily up there with the PS2 on graphics. It just got killed by shitty marketing and other companies not supporting it (Electronic Arts for example).
Of course, thinking that way pretty much by definition denies a whole avenue of originality and innovation (with better/easier hardware), but, happily, it also allows for great ingenuity with the current limitations of hardware (in this case the DC)
This reminds me of that character Harry Enfield used to do of the guy who got incredibly worked up over things that hadn't even happened.
"That Neil Armstrong guy, he walked on the moon, well done, total hero, lovely fellow, great ambassador for humankind, but if he was to come round to my house and he was to kill my dog, I'd be like OI!!! ARMSTRONG!! NO!!!"
Without a doubt though there will be countless people trashtalking this very post in a very short time. Why? "Dreamcast is dead", "Why would you want to waste your time with an old system?" "Don't you have a life?" "I bet you can't get laid!"
How about "Why would someone release an Atari ST emulator for a system for which few people have a keyboard?"
Just because some criticisms of a project are illogical doesn't mean that all of them are.
Sorry if this is off topic, but for those who don't have a Dreamcast. There is a Dreamcast emulator that emulates Homebrews (such as this atari emulator) and commericals games at almost full speed. It hasn't been mention in/. before, so check Chankast out:
http://www.chanka.org
If you like it, don't forget to donate to encourage them for futher improvement. It will be open source once they release version 1.0.
What do you have to lose in the meantime by the fact that it's closed? It's not like they're expecting you to contribute to the program, or they'd make it open source. They probably just don't want to release code with which they are highly embarrassed. There definitely have been projects released to open source only after they have hit a certain preannounced point.
Chankast does not actually run host homebrew titles yet.
The main issue is that most homebrew titles use a homebrew OS called KallistOS (that way there's no issue of legality). As of yet, Chankast seems to only run games using the official Sega 'Katana' OS. The emulator is also incompatible with commercial WinCE-based games.
Seriously, anyone who cares about specific emulators for a given platform, are already reading DC Emulation [dcemulation.com], AtariAge [atariage.com], Zophar's Domain [zophar.net] or something else that covers these events earlier and in more depth than/.
It's not like this was the first Atari ST emulator ever. It's a port for crying out loud.
If I can find the put put mini golf game for the ST that I used to waste so much tax payers money on while I was in the Air Force that would be so coooool!!!!
The Atari ST was by no means a failed computer. In fact, the home computer market was 60% Amiga's and 40% Atari's. Also, due to the inspired move of putting MIDI ports to STs, you could see Ataris in recording studios well after it was abandoned by Atari.
Also, the Dreamcast, even though a failed system had great games of excellent quality. Just because the market decided it didn't like the Dreamcast it doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad console. It was not. Compared to anything else at the time, it was the best console out there.
Compared to anything else at the time, it was the best console out there.
Compared to them NOW it's still a great machine. When you figure in all the homebrew stuff, and look at how the other consoles are, the DC is the ultimate geek console.
Not sure I buy that Amiga/ST ratio. I knew about 30 people with Amiga's. I knew one person with an ST. (That was England in the early 90's.)
Germany was Atari ST territory. Some of the best software for the 68k architecture was made there including Callamus (sp?), an amazing dtp program, the fastest text editor I have EVER seen, Tempus, and of course Alladin's Mac Classic emulators that ran Mac software FASTER than Macs. Amigas were amazing machines as well, and yes, when I moved to England (1993 I think) I remember seeing Amigas much more than I did STs. The ST had a big presence in the continent...
I went from the Sinclair Spectrum to the Amiga. My friends went from the C64 to the Amiga. I was the last of my friends to abandon the Amiga (a move I've regretted ever since, but it lives on in the new awesome WinUAE which runs full tilt on my machine for the first time).
The fact is, it took Doom and Heretic to make us switch, yet looking back, the Amiga scene was far less of a creative vacuum than the PC. I've been revisiting old games on the emulator and the Amiga was such a great little machine. Check
Darned right. A lot of ST's lived on a long time thanks to the built in MIDI port. I wouldn't be surprised if a few live on in a dusty corner of a recording studio just in case...
My colleague (in the UK back in the 80's) Phil Camp did the (TDI) Modula-2 compiler. Cheshire cats wouldn't have grinned as much as he did when he returned from ETHZ (after meeting Nicky). But, compilers got forgotten and all hail the new coding project (play with the casio keyboards he'd just bought).
The ST and Amiga came out considerably later than the ZX and the generation you mentioned - 86 I believe, while the Spectrum came out in 82. While the 68000 based home computers never really achieved the notoriety of the 8-bit computers, they were not really competing with them. Even Amstrad was moving beyond the ZX at the time, by desecrating the Sinclair name by making the horrendous all-in-one PC (it was marketed a Spectrum, wasn't it?). Anyhow, our US friends never really experienced the magic that was
I mean. I've been waiting FOREVER to be able to emulate an Atari ST on my Dreamcast. I've been so worried about this that my girlfriend left me and my dog rolled over and died all in the same week. Then the boss called to fire me, and I said, "But it's going to happen soon. I can just FEEL it!" but nobody believed me. They thought I was insane.
Just goes to show, the Atari ST is a simple machine. Show me the full-speed Amiga emulator next please:) Actually, I care much more about a SNES emulator than anything else, there's an absolute boatload of SNES games.
Naysayers run your self-checking routines! (Score:5, Insightful)
Without a doubt though there will be countless people trashtalking this very post in a very short time. Why? "Dreamcast is dead", "Why would you want to waste your time with an old system?" "Don't you have a life?" "I bet you can't get laid!"
Etc. etc. etc.
I see it every time, but I don't think people even stop and think about the crap that comes out of their minds when looking at a project someone put time into on a dead platform. They're too far gone and completely owned by the media.
My point is: why do you people bother living? It's like you're dead already, seeing that a multi-million dollar corporation has it's fist firmly placed up your rectum and flapping your jaws away with whatever they'd like to hear you say. You should really stop and think where you get these ideas, and when you ask yourself: "Why do I clown on people modding old hardware", check yourself as soon as you hear that little voice say "because it's lame!". Is that really the reason? Where do you get that idea? Is it because the PS2 and Xbox look soooo much sexier on those MTV commercials? Because the voice on the radio tells you what to like? Just like they tell you when to be angry, sad or happy and what breakfast cereal to buy?
So yeah, that's about all I have to say. When you come into this forum and start trolling around other peoples hobbies, just remember to finish all your sentences with nice, clear "Mooo" so we all know where you stand.
Thanks.
Re:Naysayers run your self-checking routines! (Score:3, Interesting)
It's criminal the machine died. It's easily up there with the PS2 on graphics. It just got killed by shitty marketing and other companies not supporting it (Electronic Arts for example).
Some of the most
Re:Naysayers run your self-checking routines! (Score:1)
And now, so am I...
Re:Naysayers run your self-checking routines! (Score:1)
Of course, thinking that way pretty much by definition denies a whole avenue of originality and innovation (with better/easier hardware), but, happily, it also allows for great ingenuity with the current limitations of hardware (in this case the DC)
Re:Naysayers run your self-checking routines! (Score:1)
"That Neil Armstrong guy, he walked on the moon, well done, total hero, lovely fellow, great ambassador for humankind, but if he was to come round to my house and he was to kill my dog, I'd be like OI!!! ARMSTRONG!! NO!!!"
Re:Naysayers run your self-checking routines! (Score:2)
A shame half of it is lost (imo) , by posting it as an AC.
Re:Naysayers run your self-checking routines! (Score:2)
How about "Why would someone release an Atari ST emulator for a system for which few people have a keyboard?"
Just because some criticisms of a project are illogical doesn't mean that all of them are.
Rob
DC emulator (Score:2, Interesting)
http://www.chanka.org
If you like it, don't forget to donate to encourage them for futher improvement. It will be open source once they release version 1.0.
Re:DC emulator (Score:3, Informative)
They obviously don't get the whole point of open source, then...
And what guarantee do we have that they will "eventually" open the source?
Re:DC emulator (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:DC emulator (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:DC emulator (Score:1, Informative)
Quite wrong. [google.com]
Re:DC emulator (Score:2, Informative)
The main issue is that most homebrew titles use a homebrew OS called KallistOS (that way there's no issue of legality).
As of yet, Chankast seems to only run games using the official Sega 'Katana' OS.
The emulator is also incompatible with commercial WinCE-based games.
Emulator X for Platform Y is not news anymore (Score:4, Interesting)
It's not like this was the first Atari ST emulator ever. It's a port for crying out loud.
Re:Emulator X for Platform Y is not news anymore (Score:4, Insightful)
And Dreamcast holds such a special place in so many hearts
Re:Emulator X for Platform Y is not news anymore (Score:2, Funny)
This is so awsome (Score:2)
Re:This is so awsome (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Obsolescence - with new improved extra oldness! (Score:5, Interesting)
Also, the Dreamcast, even though a failed system had great games of excellent quality. Just because the market decided it didn't like the Dreamcast it doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad console. It was not. Compared to anything else at the time, it was the best console out there.
Re:Obsolescence - with new improved extra oldness! (Score:1)
Compared to them NOW it's still a great machine. When you figure in all the homebrew stuff, and look at how the other consoles are, the DC is the ultimate geek console.
Not sure I buy that Amiga/ST ratio. I knew about 30 people with Amiga's. I knew one person with an ST. (That was England in the early 90's.)
Re:Obsolescence - with new improved extra oldness! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Obsolescence - with new improved extra oldness! (Score:2, Informative)
The fact is, it took Doom and Heretic to make us switch, yet looking back, the Amiga scene was far less of a creative vacuum than the PC. I've been revisiting old games on the emulator and the Amiga was such a great little machine. Check
The old obsolete was more fun? (Score:1)
surprised if a few live on in a dusty corner of
a recording studio just in case...
My colleague (in the UK back in the 80's) Phil Camp did the (TDI) Modula-2 compiler. Cheshire cats wouldn't have grinned as
much as he did when he returned from ETHZ (after
meeting Nicky). But, compilers got forgotten and
all hail the new coding project (play with the casio keyboards he'd just bought).
We spent a pleasant few days hack
Re:The old obsolete was more fun? (Score:2)
FINALLY (Score:2, Funny)
But I knew who was really insane.
Wow (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Wow (Score:2)
Re:Where has simoniker gone? (Score:2)
Rob