ESPN And Electronic Arts Sign 15-Year Deal 332
acxr is wasted writes "Electronic Arts has dealt another blow to rival Sega by signing a 15-year agreement with ESPN, giving the publisher exclusive video game rights to ESPN branded material. EA has recently faced pressure from popular ESPN-branded Sega titles released at discount prices, prompting their recent deal with the NFL, and failed bid for the NBA."
15 years?!? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:15 years?!? (Score:2)
Re:15 years?!? (Score:2)
I mean you shouldn't be able to use their "logo" and say it's official but you should be able to include the names and stats of the NFL teams and whatnot.
Re:15 years?!? (Score:2)
The names of the NFL teams are valuable registered trademarks. Part of the revenue stream for an NFL franchise is the right to sell merchandise with the name of the team on it (i.e. hats, jerseys, video games, etc.).
Re:15 years?!? (Score:2, Interesting)
Hell yeah - straight to -1 flame bait for me baby!
Re:15 years?!? (Score:2)
The rule is: when you attack /. readers and you are incorrect in your criticism, you are ignored. If you are correct in your criticism, you go to -2 heretic.
And I do appreciate the mods here validating my pov.
Re:15 years?!? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:15 years?!? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:15 years?!? (Score:2)
So is EA Madden football now ESPN 2k6? WTF is going on. I say again, WTF is going on with the gaming industry. Someone start another petition! Please, this is monopoly to the extreme getting way out of hand.
Re:15 years?!? (Score:3, Interesting)
Rights to the stadiums? Can I take a picture of a football field and make money, or is that illegal now? No more pictures of skylines... we will have to blur out all non-public property. (Like they do on TV. Every time I watch TV now I feel like I need new glasses because everything re
Re:15 years?!? (Score:2)
Of course you can. Somebody can buy the rights to make "Sid Meier's Civilization". Somebody can buy the rights to manufacture "Nike Air Jordans". Somebody can buy the rights to "NFL Football '06 Featuring Brett Favre".
Anyway, this is illegal on the part of the NFL.
Perhaps you could state your basis for this assertion.
Re:15 years?!? (Score:3, Funny)
Actually my name is just *
Pay me...
~S
Re:15 years?!? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:15 years?!? (Score:3, Insightful)
besides.. it doesn't really affect the games quality if it's branded something or not.
15 year deal is just STUUUUUUPID for espn.
Re:15 years?!? (Score:3, Insightful)
Honestly, I don't see the issue here - someone can't make a product that says it officially endorsed by me without my permission. If I choose to only give that to one entity, then that is my decision.
If people don't like it, they should buy other games. It doesn't preve
Holographic playstation games? (Score:2)
ESPN locked up until the year 2020
Re:15 years?!? (Score:2)
EA and Microsoft? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:EA and Microsoft? (Score:2)
Re:EA and Microsoft? (Score:2)
Unholy Trinity (Score:5, Interesting)
Not only that, but The Walt Disney Company owns ESPN. If you'll remember, Disney was behind the copyright term extension acts [losingnemo.com]. This makes an Unholy Trinity of Disney, EA, and Microsoft (whose MSN network hosts ESPN's web site).
Re:Unholy Trinity (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Unholy Trinity (Score:2)
It wouldn't suprise me then if EA takes a similar stance on coyright - afterall, Disney still bases most of its sucess on old characters (Mickey, Donald) opting not to create the new. EA is doing the same with their games (Prince of Persia, Medal of Honour, Need for Speed, SIMS.....).
Re:Unholy Trinity (Score:2)
Re:Unholy Trinity (Score:2)
anyone can draw on the same public domain sources as Disney, but you have to make the story your own and not a derivative based on the Disney version. that's a fair enough challenge, I think.
what's next? (Score:5, Funny)
Ehh (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Ehh (Score:4, Insightful)
If you mean published a decent game, you're wrong. In fact, I'm playing Burnout 3 right now, and loving it.
If you mean developed a decent game.. well that's another story.
Re:Ehh (Score:2)
Based upon how the MS thing went, could be 2009 before that happens. Of course it depends on who puts up enough cash for the elections in 2008.
Huh? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Huh? (Score:5, Insightful)
EA jumped the shark when []()/\ ended (Score:2)
On the other hand, when I was a teenager there was a Sega Genesis game by the name of _Mutant League Football_
That game was made by Electronic Arts back when EA didn't suck. Many Slashdot readers would agree that EA jumped the shark when it stopped using the box-ball-cone logo [kmoser.com] and started putting the EA Sports logo [play-point.de] on non-sport games [tvnz.co.nz]. Sorry, but you're probably not going to get a sequel, as EA would rather sell more Madden games so as not to have to maintain an extra SKU using the Madden engine.
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
And this is exactly why they don't make fantasy games if they can avoid it - the market for the licensed product is higher than the market for the "brandless" game. They aren't trying to sell these football games to you; the
Re:Huh? (Score:2, Insightful)
I understand it really seems stupid, but it makes the game more fun if you know the players and the teams, and who to give the ball to; to run the actual plays the team runs. It adds an extra level of excitement to playing the game.
I did like Sega branded ESPN Sports games, but I must admit, I doubt I am going to buy a football game that doesn't use the NFL player names and team
Gutless (Score:5, Informative)
A good friend of mine is a sociologist. She will preach endlessly about how evil Wal-Mart and globalization is - then go to Wal-Mart to buy stuff instead of a mom and pop shop because they offer the largest selection at the lowest price. For fuck's sake. You don't need government action to take these companies down, just a week or two of not giving them your money.
ESPN, the NFL, and EA are perfect examples of this. So ESPN enters into an agreement with EA that any right thinking person should immediately recognize as stifling innovation in sports games. The real question is not when EA is going to get nailed for being a monopoly, but when are YOU going to stop giving ESPN and EA your money. This is football for fuck's sake. Grow a pair of balls, suck it up, and don't watch the shit if you think their practices stink. This is a luxury we are talking about it. It is something that doesn't require loss of life or limb to boycott.
People are whiny and obnoxious these days. I bet easily 95% of the people here that complain about this move on Slashdot are going to bitch up a three page essay on why EA is evil, then fork over a couple of twenties for their NFL 2005. Bah. The whiney masses are so gutless and spineless they deserve to have corporations like EA and ESPN walk all over them.
Re:Gutless (Score:4, Interesting)
I avoided paying to see movies in the theatres for years too, but that doesn't seem to have changed anything either.
Likewise, I can boycott Madden football games, ESPN, and the NFL. I completely agree with you that we have the choice to do this.
However, any support I could conceivably get for my boycott would just be a drop in the bucket, so let's be honest about the result: Me, or any other Slashdotter (most Slashdotters hate sports games anyway, so this is kinda moot) boycotting EA, the NFL, and ESPN doesn't mean that those companies are going to change their policies. It just means that I'll never be watching football or playing football video games again.
Re:Huh? (Score:4, Funny)
Of course it matters what name is on the front.
Re:How they _really_ could annoy EA (Score:2)
Doesn't really matter. (Score:4, Insightful)
RPGs are the most important thing on any console anyway.
Re:Doesn't really matter. (Score:5, Funny)
Hm... a hockey game where you can use Rocket Propelled Grenades... I think you've got a great idea there!
Really matters (Score:5, Insightful)
It matters. The reason why EA did this is because last year ESPN came out with a pretty damned good football game and priced it at $19.99. EA priced theirs at $49.99, figuring that their brand recognition would allow them to charge double. They were wrong. EA had to drop their price, and evidently didn't like it because they got pissed enough to shell out for an exclusive license.
Result is they have a monopoly on NFL-licensed games for a long time. For sports fans - clearly not you, but there is some gamer/sports overlap - this sucks because we only have one choice, and it's guaranteed to be overpriced.
More than likely, no other significant NFL games will be made. Even creative games like NFL blitz etc typically need licenses to survive.
RPGs are the most important thing on any console anyway.
You are kidding right? Console sales of RPGs are almost negligible.
Re:Really matters (Score:3, Insightful)
For values of "consoles" limited to "In the US" and RPGs approaching "Not Final Fantasy" you're right.
Japan is a different story. There's a reason that Dragon Quest games can only be released on weekends over there.
Re:Really matters (Score:2)
I too don't agree that CRPG sales are "negligable" (unless he means tactical RPGs), but certainly, most non-Final Fantasy/Square Enix RPGs aren't nearly as big as your average, annually-released sports game.
Re:Doesn't really matter. (Score:2)
Other than updated players and some minor improvements in the engine from year to year, are there any justifications for spending another $50?
I still enjoy Sega Genesis Tecmo Bowl and the early NCAA games for the PS2.
That reminds me... (Score:2)
Then I found a friend who rented Baseball Simulator 1000. Baseball was unreal to the point where it was fun. Bunt on a "tornado pitch" that goes ove
Idiot (Score:3, Funny)
"We don't anticipating changing anything significantly from what we are currently doing," Larry Probst, chairman and chief executive of EA, said in an interview.
Not only is EA's CEO an evil monopolist, he's not very good at grammar either...
Great for the industry (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Great for the industry (Score:5, Funny)
Actually this deal will insure that coders go 15 years without a lunchbreak
It sux to be them.
Mixed Feelings (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Mixed Feelings (Score:4, Insightful)
It might be the right decision for ESPN, but I really think it was a bad move by the NFL. Yes, it is money in the bank now for the NFL, but I think in the long term it works against them. A vibrant, competitive video game market for NFL licensed games is a HUGE promotion/marketing tool for the NFL. People playing the games get a lot more involved in the players and teams that people who just watch it on TV sometimes. I'll admit I never watched any football until I played Madden on the playstation and learned about the teams and the players and how the play calling influenced the game. I think that video games and fantasy leagues provide the kind of interaction that makes watching football exciting in a way that NO amount of regular advertising and promotion can do at any price. Plus, video games reach teens when they are impressionable and can make them NFL fans for life. Putting all their eggs in the EA basket might be a decision they come to regret.
I guess some of that applies to ESPN too. By taking the deal from EA they are cutting them selves off from Sega and other companies that might be willing to pay for the priviledge of promoting ESPN.
Yet another incorrect statement on this topic..... (Score:3, Informative)
Hiow do you know that the amount that "Sega and other companies" would be willing to pay is larger than that of what EA *has* offered to pay?
1) Do you know how much EA paid? No.
2) Do you have financial models taking into account a number of factors to try to predict what the most beneficial outcome is for ESP
Re:Mixed Feelings (Score:2, Flamebait)
EA is "evil" how?
My thoughts by John Madden. (Score:5, Funny)
My thoughts by John Kerry (Score:2)
Re:My thoughts by John Kerry (Score:2)
This deal was conducted in a manner reminiscent of Ghengis Khan.
Re:My thoughts by John Madden. (Score:2)
Hello? Have you ever heard of leap years?
Some geek you are.
Re:My thoughts by John Madden. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:My thoughts by John Madden. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:My thoughts by John Madden. (Score:5, Funny)
Here are the top nine comments made by NBC sports commentators so far during the Summer Olympics that they would like to take back:
1. Weightlifting commentator: "This is Gregoriava from Bulgaria. I saw her snatch this morning during her warm up and it was amazing."
2. Dressage commentator: "This is really a lovely horse and I speak from personal experience since I once mounted her mother."
3. Paul Hamm, Gymnast: "I owe a lot to my parents, especially my mother and father."
4. Boxing Analyst: "Sure there have been injuries, and even some deaths in boxing, but none of them really that serious.
5. Softball announcer: "If history repeats itself, I should think we can expect the same thing again."
6. Basketball analyst: "He dribbles a lot and the opposition doesn't like it. In fact you can see it all over their faces."
7. At the rowing medal ceremony: "Ah, isn't that nice, the wife of the IOC president is hugging the cox of the British crew."
8. Soccer commentator: "Julian Dicks is everywhere. It's like they've got eleven Dicks on the field."
9. Tennis commentator: "One of the reasons Andy is playing so well is that, before the final round, his wife takes out his balls and kisses them...
Re:My thoughts by John Madden. (Score:3, Informative)
Well this is a big poke in the eye... (Score:4, Interesting)
Now cmon, if you plan to contract one of the largest names in sports news, then at least integrate it into the game. The only reason EA is buying the ESPN license apparently to use "ESPN properties as potential video games, including the "X Games" extreme athletics competitions, poker and even bass fishing."
Wow, cause I want to spend 50 dollars on ESPN World Poker Tour $year.
Re:Well this is a big poke in the eye... (Score:2)
Sega should play this game (Score:2)
Re:Well this is a big poke in the eye... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Well this is a big poke in the eye... (Score:2)
Re:Well this is a big poke in the eye... (Score:2)
The WPT game is one of those "console in the controller" type things where you don't need any other hardware except a TV.
Perhaps ESPN has since aquired the video game rights for the WSOP?
Blitz (Some Real Creativity) (Score:3, Interesting)
I mean now with Blitz free to do what they want, and a niche market opening up- I'm excited about sports games for once!
It's really too bad there will likely be no 30$ ESPN Football or hockey again, but for each on of those, there will be an outlaw golf, or baseball stars.
These unlicensed games have been missing from 'popular' libraries for years. I see this as only opening up a market for the smaller, savvy developer/publisher.
And now ALL motivation for EA to innovate is gone (Score:4, Insightful)
And there is EA's CEO admitting as much. This is horrible for the industry. EA has cranked out some crap this year, but the pressure from Sega has been keeping the Sports line programmers on their toes. Now with no competition, they're free to churn out crappy sports games, too. Sigh.
That's it. (Score:2, Funny)
Challenge Everything (Exept our corporate empire.)
The dangerous thing is (Score:4, Insightful)
If EA gets enough control over the gaming industry, even if you never play their games they'll still be able to have an impact. How about, for example, increasing the price on their games to $60 a pop? If EA has enough marketshare in the industry, you don't think every other publisher wouldn't follow suit?
That's just one example. EA is out to win big. Check out this article here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4180453.stm
EA's stated long term goal is to become the largest Entertainment Firm in the world. They want to take on the big names in the movie industry via games. They cite Disney as one of their targets to beat in future years.
EA isn't going to stop this, it is just going to keep getting worse until they are either:
A) Forced to stop B) The well dries up on them and they die from bloat.
Either way, this is bad for the consumer. This is most definitely *not* a healthy monolopy they are trying to form.
Re:The dangerous thing is (Score:3, Interesting)
They are doing sports games right now, but how long till they start moving in on your company of choice? They already made an initial attempt at Ubisoft, and they are buying licenses from Nintendo. Who is going to be next on the list?
OK, they went after Ubisoft and that was stopped. And how dare they buy licenses from Nintendo!! That obviously means EA will soon be buying Nintendo. Watch out Sony, you're next. Or so the implication goes. I mean somehow a company with a
ESPN execs asleep at the wheel (Score:5, Insightful)
The industry could radically change in fifteen years. EA could shoot itself in the foot in five years, becoming an also-ran. Fifteen years in the video game industry is like 45 years in the world of broadcasting.
It might be three years from now, or five, or 10 years from now, but ESPN will live to regret this deal.
Re:ESPN execs asleep at the wheel (Score:2, Insightful)
Its all about short term profits.
Boards of Directors have become a joke (Score:2)
No argument there. Directors have become mere rubber stamping tools for management teams. Why? Because the boards are all composed of O-level guys from other public companies, all of whom seem to observe a tacit agreement not to screw with each other's executive decisions.
Yet another incorrect statement on this topic... (Score:2)
Maybe you do, but don't speak for the rest of us -- the public at large. A quick look at www.metacritic.com yields the following scores (PS2 versions):
2001 - 91 [metacritic.com]
2002 - 94 [metacritic.com]
2003 - 95 [metacritic.com]
2004 - 94 [metacritic.com]
2005 - 91 [metacritic.com]
It helps to do your research before you make sweeping incorrect claims. Score went up, 2003 to 2004.
But what's actually much more impressive is that all the scores are above 90, which is very rare (just check metacritic and look).
Here is an idea (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:new slashdot icon (Score:2)
Icon Sized [proliphus.com]
Full Sized [proliphus.com]
Disclaimer: Just having a little fun with Fireworks Mr. Probst!
Will The Madden Name Be Dropped Soon? (Score:5, Insightful)
So maybe EA isn't an evil monopolist after all, they're just planning for the future!
Re:Will The Madden Name Be Dropped Soon? (Score:2)
Re:Will The Madden Name Be Dropped Soon? (Score:2)
Sad Day (Score:2, Insightful)
Great (Score:2)
Boycott (Score:2, Insightful)
EA? (Score:2)
I am pretty sure such a huge monopoly won't do gamers and the products any good.
NHL? (Score:2)
<Bitter Canadian Hockey Fan Rant>
Any word yet as to whether or not Bettman has sold out or is looking to sell out the NHL yet to these asshats at EA? It's only a matter of time I suppose; the commish fscks over everything else with his league.
<Bitter Canadian Hockey Fan Rant>
The Rise and Fall of the Electronic Arts Empire (Score:3, Insightful)
First, my bet is that Sony, MS, and Nintendo are as worried as anyone about EA's rise to power. The could quite nearly already ruin a console (cf. Dreamcast). But now, if a console maker isn't doling out favors and money to EA, they will find themselves in a very difficult position. I wonder if we won't begin to see some interesting powerplays behind the scenes, with MS/Sony/Nintendo running some subvert rescue operations to somehow curb EA from gobling all the power dots on the board.
The other positives in this is that we will probably start to see all the things that come with being in a near-monopoly level of control. Lawsuits against EA will inevitably ensue.
Finally, I don't care what EA says - a vaccum of competition makes teams lazy. What does Tiberon, the studio behind Madden, have to worry about if they have a few bad features in the game? Why bother paying for focus groups, or worrying about review scores or message board feedback, if your game is the only NFL game on the market for the next X years? Mark my words: the progression we've seen in the quality of EA's sports titles will begin to diminish.
You don't use an ICBM to kill an ant hill. EA was obviously worried about Sega. They wouldn't have gone to all this trouble for the hell of it. You don't see them suddenly making exclusive Curling League contracts. They were starting to hurt after last year's $20 high quality sports titles.
If EA can bleed, they can be killed.
Blatant revenge (Score:5, Insightful)
EA would take a MASSIVE hit if customers began to EXPECT to only pay $19.99 for each year's incremental update to the prior year's sports games. It would not only hurt them in the games where Sega provides direct competition (NFL, NBA, NHL, etc), it would force them to shift the price of their unopposed games. Why would gamers pay $50 for Tiger Woods or NASCAR after paying just $20 for Madden?
Rest assured, somewhere in the upper levels of EA, the bosses are paying a premium for these deals because they're factoring in the extra cash they'll make once Sega is crushed. The NFL was the opening salvo, the failed NBA bid an attempted backbreaker (especially since Sega's NBA game has been generally better in recent years). The Arena Football League deal attempts to seal off Sega's escape route (Sega could have design an AFL game to keep their football engine primed for the expiration of the NFL deal). But this is the heavy artillery. While Sega had begun establishing itself as a credible creator of sports games, the added ESPN name gave immediate credibility to the series in the eyes of consumers. Sega is some company that made a console they used to play Sonic on, ESPN almost defines sports to many Americans. Taking ESPN out of their hands puts them back to trying to build the Sega Sports name, but without a licensed NFL game as their flagship. EA is out for blood.
There is always Europe. (Score:3, Interesting)
And along with the UEFA CL, goes the FIFA World Cup.
Re:Microsoft (Score:2)
Just don't buy EA sports games? Does a game [say football or hockey] strictly need real "pro teams" to make it fun?
Of course like windows most consumers are serfs that buy whatever commercials tell them to so they will buy into EA games...
Tom
Re:Microsoft (Score:2)
Re:Microsoft (Score:2)
Yeah they'll be original... oops...
Lots of video games aren't based in reality. That's usually a good thing since they're a diversion. Sure "real teams" is a nice touch but I personally wouldn't care.
To me it's about the reflexes and/or strategy.
Tom
Re:Microsoft (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: Best Sports Game Evar: (Score:2)
Besides playing with "Real players (tm)" just celebrates them. I find nothing to celebrate in whiny, often questionable and rarely honourable people that play a game for a couple of years for many millions.
Oh it's tough work. No doubt about it. But they also get to "play for a dozen years" then retire at 30 with millions in their pockets. Pay the players say 60 to 80 grand a year plus travel expenses [e.g. hotels, food] and then we can say "whoa, they work hard for the money".
Re:Microsoft (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Microsoft (Score:2)
Re:Microsoft (Score:2)
If they were drowning to death, I would put a hose in their mouth.
Is it a good thing? No. Is their a bette
Re:What About Madden? (Score:2)
Re:Did EA also buy Slashdot? (Score:2, Funny)
EA==M$
M$==The Devil
Re:EA = gaming genious (Score:2)
This is especially true of the sports fan market. This is why Nike and Gatorade deals are big bucks. In sports, image is an extremely close second to athletic ability.
For an example, SportsCenter is heralded *every night* by sports fans like it is the second coming of Christ. I don't care how much in-depth coverage another network could do, it won't be SportsCenter, and fans are, by definition, loyal.
I never realized what EA has become until these last f