3D Projection Rumoured to be The Revolution 120
mars soup eel writes "Cube.IGN is reporting that Brooke Burgess (of Broken Saints) has let the proverbial cat out of the bag concerning Nintendo's new Revolution console. The big secret (assuming the rumors are true)? 3D projection." From the article: "At the core of the theory sits how Revolution will display games: through a form of real-time 3D projection. That's right folks, along the lines of a classic 50s monster movie. Nintendo itself has stated that what it plans to use on Revolution isn't all that unique, only that it has never been applied to videogames. Taking that into account, plus recent patents filed by Nintendo, and it doesn't sound all that far fetched, argues Burgess." As always, take this with a grain of salt.
Not a bad idea... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:2, Insightful)
The problem with trying to express 3-D with video games is that the utterly ubiqtuous display device of choice is quite 2-D.
It seems their options are:
* 3-D glasses (not necessarily the red-blue type, there are many options nowadays; but would gamers really want to wear them?)
* Head mounted displays (Virtual Boy again?)
* Filter array displays (Average cost upwards of $100
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:5, Insightful)
As for gyroscopic controllers, I'm not sure how well that would work, but if anyone can do it, Nintendo can. The touchscreen controller idea sounds good, but reminds me a bit of the Jaguar's 12 button section on the controller you put button guides around. But the touch screen opens up MUCH more possibilities.
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:2)
I wear glasses too, but I've had no problems with the 3D glasses you get for IMax3D shows.
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:2)
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Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:5, Informative)
That's the reason you can't quite see the flicker. It's imaginary.
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:1)
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:1)
Conceptually, this is easy. Making the proper polarizing material and aligning it would be a manufacturing challenge, but the theory is so obvious, I do not think that anybody could even file a patent.
The only down sides is that the
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:5, Informative)
The only IMAX3D movie I saw was at the Luxor in Vegas, and I had to wear these big, bulky grey shutterglasses. You had to push a button at the beginning of the movie to calibrate them if I recall correctly. I know the difference between shutterglasses and the polarized glasses from Disney. Just to reiterate, this shutterglass movie was horrible and I would never see any IMAX3D movie again for fear that it uses the shutterglasses. For linkage verifying that there are two types of IMAX3D, check out this page at IMAX. [imax.com]
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:2)
Shutter glasses are indeed horrible, and if there really are theaters that use that tech, no WONDER you don't like it.
The polarized 3D, however, is really quite nice. Check it out sometime.
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Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:3, Interesting)
I could tolerate the Virtual Boy, but I haven't used it in a few years, and my vision has gotten a little worse since then. The last time I was in an IMAX theater, I completely couldn't make sense of the 3D previews while wearing the glasses. Not only did it not look
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:3, Interesting)
Not just for people with disabilities like yours but also for party games when there's just not enough glasses for everyone to watch the fun.
Since party games are a Nintendo-owned niche, they'd be stupid not to include the option.
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:2)
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Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:2, Funny)
What was wrong with the red and blue cardboard glasses?
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:1)
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:1)
That doesn't fall into the category of "Never been done by a home console before," though. It's been done by Sega on the old Sega Master System.
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:1)
Jan
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:2)
Last time I looked into it conatacts would have cost me over $150 per eye.
For those who don't know what it is, astigmatism is when the eye is off-round such that a perfect circle when seen uncorrected apears as an elipse.
The problem this causes is that if a corrective lense is not aligned properly it can exagerate or complicate the distortion rather than correct it. Now for glasses this correcti
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:1)
Just a friendly warning that if you have an astigmatism, you might want to be 100% positive that contacts will work for you before you buy them.
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:2)
This may seem silly as it defeats the 'no glasses' principle of contacts. But the correction done by glasses takes place farther away from the eyes and has side effects that reduce vision acuity in ways contacts don't and the combo seriously mitigates these effects. Also it's likely that the glasses would not be needed most of the time and would be much thinner when needed wich is a plus.
Mycrof
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:1)
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THAT is why I said they would cost me over 150 an eye.
When your astimatism is bad enough soft contacts cease to be an option. All your left with is expensive torric(sp?) lenses that cost a LOT.
Mycroft
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:1)
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:1)
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:1)
Sure it could be done today on-the-fly, you'd just need a large parabolic mirror to focus the TV screen, and a dark stage to keep the picture from being washed out.
There is a reason the cabinet for those two games was shaped as it was, function over form.
If anyone can do it right... (Score:2)
They also have a history of failed launches of tech that was too unique... the Virtual Boy, the Bulky Drive, etc. But if 3D is going to get mass-market a
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:3, Interesting)
While it would seem to make sense since both Nintendo (of America) and Microsoft are next-door neighbors in Redmond, remember that Nintendo is primarily a Japanese company and more likely to side with the Japanese competitor (Sony) should this happen.
Hm (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Hm (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Hm (Score:2)
This would be cool if there were some way to connect your VCR and DVD to watch movies, etc., like that system does. I wonder just how popular this would really be in Nintendo's Revolution, though. I think the novelty factor could wear off quickly. 3D movies have never really taken off in the past, partially because of the necessity of wearing the glasses.
Re:Hm (Score:2, Informative)
Most likely it'll be some sort of LCD-shutter glasses technology, as already used in '3D' movies.
I find the claim "only that it has never been applied to videogames" somewhat misleading, as this technology has been available for PC games for many years ( http://www.xforce3d.com/ [xforce3d.com]) It will, however, be the first time such technology has been natively supported by a game platform.
As for culling, the use of this pseudo-3D tec
Re:Hm (Score:1)
This is how the nVidia drivers and most any other stereo 3d drivers do it, so I assume that if the rumour holds then Nintendo will follow the pattern. Actually doing multiple angles or whole 3d environm
That's right (Score:5, Funny)
Well, at least not like normal.
Bogus Speculation (Score:3, Interesting)
The "argues" implies speculation. Furthermore, I say it is bogus because even if Nintendo doesn't want to remember Virtual Boy, certainly they remember 3-D World Runner for the NES.
http://www.gamespot.com/nes/action/3dbattlesofwor
I think it came with glasses. And although the 3-D mode wasn't top notch, it was 3-D. You could also turn the 3-D mode off. Have fun by running around a planet in four directions (NSEW) fighting impressive sprite dragons (although they didn't look like real dragons they did look quasi 3D).
Re:Bogus Speculation (Score:2)
Re:Bogus Speculation (Score:2)
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Re:Bogus Speculation (Score:2)
Behind and ahead of their time. (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm sure I'm not the only one who would jerk the controller all over the place when playing Super Mario Bros. on the NES right?... Every time I jumped I'd lift the controller up, finally they're catching on.
As to the stereoscopic idea, I think doing it before theatres may hurt them, being slightly ahead of their time. If people get hooked on it by big budget summer blockbusters that's great for them.
Re:Behind and ahead of their time. (Score:1)
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Re:Behind and ahead of their time. (Score:2)
If it delivers six degrees of freedom, and accuracy (which I think it will), it could have a huge impact on gaming. Thinking about how the controller will work makes a 3D projections system seem more likely, also.
Full of it. (Score:1)
A touchpad controller, I can kind of believe. I can't remember anyone doing a 'mouse gestures' style interface besides Nin on the DS.
I just hope... (Score:3, Informative)
From TFA:
If that's not enough, he goes on. During the ShoWest film conference, a panel featuring George Lucus, Robert Zemekis, James Cameron, Robert Rodriguez...
At least it's not George Mucus.
Is it anything like this? (Score:2)
I don't quite get what the article is describing, but it sounds similar to the vrizer project.
Already proven false (Score:5, Interesting)
The other support for his speculation was that Nintendo demo'd a new peripheral for the Gamecube behind closed doors at E3 2004, but this ended up being the microphone that shipped with Mario Party 6.
This is the most halfassed "next generation console" rumor ever perpetrated. Burgess was too lazy to do thirty seconds worth of reading and now he's being rewarded with lots of hits from curious fanboys.
*sigh*
Mod parent up (Score:1)
Zonk, please stop posting any garbage you are sent as news. A high proportion of
Fruit flies like a banana (Score:3, Funny)
You mean, the games will be created in Japan and feature people in rubber monster suits?
Wow...
Re:Fruit flies like a banana (Score:1)
Motion capture (Score:1)
You mean, the games will be created in Japan
Both Sony and Nintendo are Japanese companies, and a lot of their games are made in Japanese studios.
and feature people in rubber monster suits?
How else would you do motion capture?
Not likely (Score:5, Insightful)
If the 1990's VR craze has taught us anything, it is that most people do not like wearing things on their head and I doubt they have come up with a way to "beam" these images into thin air.
More power to them if they want to innovate new gaming technology but this is so out of left field that I doubt any developer outside of Nintendo would try to do anything with it.
Re:Not likely (Score:2)
I
Re:Not likely (Score:3, Interesting)
its called VRiser
http://futurelab.aec.at/vrizer/ [futurelab.aec.at]
Re:Not likely (Score:2)
Hardware is so powerful now that it wouldn't be much of an issue to render all the pixels in even an HDTV twice over at 60fps. Adding stereo view to any 3D engine software I've used takes about an hour.
The technical issues are minor. Designing a game that is fun to play in "true 3D" however is not. Something that is exciting in "flat 3D" would probably make most people physically sick in "true 3D." The reverse is also true, a game that is fun in true 3D would most likely feel
Didn't they try this before? (Score:3, Interesting)
I think around E3 2000, or 2002, or somewhere in between then and now (vague enough for you? sorry), Nintendo had a large snow-globe-looking 3D projection system they were going to unveil at E3 that year. It was an add-on for the N64 if I recall correction, and I remember seeing pictures of it (probably mock ups?), but when E3 finally came around the device was a no-show.
It sounds like this is just a repitition of where they were headed then, but I'm surprised that no one has mentioned it yet. It honestly looked like a flop to me, but was so "out-there" that I thought it would get more attention or at least be remembered with this latest post.
Re:Didn't they try this before? (Score:1)
ok this mac fanboism and ipod worship is getting outta hand when you start getting freudian slips like this
Re:Didn't they try this before? (Score:1)
Let's think about this practically (Score:3, Insightful)
One way is to interlace offset frames and wear shutter glasses. You lose part of your horizontal FOV and they give people headaches, and is only really practical on CRTs. Another way would be the REAL way that 50's movies worked with an anaglyph. (blue/red seperation) but that usually looks like crap.
That all said, Call me a skeptic.
My personal speculation on the Revolution (Score:1)
My guess for the Revolution is that its interface is going to be something like the net-city from Snow Crash. The Big N has said that it is making the Internet a priority with the Revolution, going as far as to include a wireless router. We would buy games online from the Nintendo s
Re:My personal speculation on the Revolution (Score:1)
Re:My personal speculation on the Revolution (Score:1)
The journalistic pillar! (Score:4, Funny)
Wait. IGN is right on par with supermarket tabloids.
In other news, Princess Peach is pregnant with Master Chief's child! See page 11!
Re:The journalistic pillar! (Score:2)
You are NOT the father!
Re:The journalistic pillar! (Score:2)
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> You are NOT the father!
Are you _sure_ [vgcats.com] about that?
Chris Mattern
Not impressed (Score:1)
I would rather they spent R&D resources on REAL innovations.
Re:Not impressed (Score:1)
But surely if it could work and be fun, Nintendo would be the company that could do it. I hope this is what Nintendo plans to do, it sounds awesome.
Not quite so certain (Score:2)
And 3D itself has also been used, by Nintendo themselves in the Virtual Boy, and by Sega with their Master System's interesting, but not interesting enough, special glasses.
But yeah, it'd be cool if this were it, and in full color, and could be viewed by everyone in the room without everyone needing special expensive he
Calm Down Everyone (Score:3, Informative)
Please give Nintendo more credit than claiming that they're gonna put some ancient 3D gimmick effect in their new console that will scare off consumers and 3rd-party publishers. These are the people who (currently) have been in the business longer than anyone else has (can't claim Atari now, they're gone). Everyone needs to stop preparing for Nintendo's funeral, it's not coming any time soon.
Bullshit (Score:5, Interesting)
..okay, so no goggles.. (Score:2, Interesting)
Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi...You're my only hope. (Score:1)
Holographic Projection ? (Score:1)
No glasses display? (Score:2, Interesting)
If I had... (Score:1)
If I had a grain of salt for every time I've read that on
I'll get it (Score:1)
Imaginge a game like biplanes on this one, or any kind of flight simulator, or quake.
The only way this could be true is if... (Score:1, Interesting)
If they were going to do 3D on the TV, their options would be very limited:
1. They could use red and blue 3d glasses. But that would look terrible.
2. They could try to find some way to make one set of vertical or horizontal lines appear in one eye, and the other appear in the other eye. But that would cut the resolution in half in one direction, and make t
The Virtua Boy 2! (Score:2)
One good reason (Score:5, Interesting)
How do you port titles from the xbox2 and ps3, which regarless of what MS and Sony say are fundamentally similar, to a system that will require a totally different setup. This especially is true for a console that has recently been trying to mend fences with developers. Nintendo would need Sony-like power over its developers to even think about trying something this drastic.
On the other hand, 1st party titles would be impressive.
Re:One good reason (Score:2)
It may be a gamble, but if the technology is truly revolutionary and (most importantly) fun, then people will buy it and third party developers will jump all over it.
I realize that this whole discussion is based on speculation and rumor, but it's interesting to contemplate.
Even If True, It Says Little (Score:2)
So let me take a stab. How about a thin transparent mylar that changes the angle of half of the image to the left eye, and the other half to the right (at a documented distance for 90 percentile humans)?
Great! another fake news post in slashdot. (Score:2)
It has nothing to do with holographic view, or stereoscopic vision which is what the poster thought.
Aparently Nintendo is keeping the details on its next console tightly sealed, however considering what happened to the DS (the big and never before "device" is a handheld with 2 screens) I wouldnt worry about what makes revolution "
I haven't been this excited since RAD RACER (Score:2)
http://www.flyingomelette.com/reviews/nes/radrace
50 ft Mario (Score:1)
I wouldn't mind taking down all my Van Gogh posters to play some Mario Kart on the wall.
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3D projection is as queer as a football bat.
VR (Score:1)
New? (Score:1)
Patents... (Score:2)
I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a lawsuit for causing seizures in small children.
This is about as likely as Jack-In-The-Box deciding to offer extra rare patties; or Wendy's to start selling 'Chicken Fingers'
Wendy's chicken fingers (Score:2)
This is about as likely as Jack-In-The-Box deciding to offer extra rare patties; or Wendy's to start selling 'Chicken Fingers'
Wendy's already does sell chicken fingers. Wendy's Homestyle Chicken Strips [rateitall.com]
Re:I have no idea what this means (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:What does this have to do with revolution? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What does this have to do with revolution? (Score:2)
Re:What does this have to do with revolution? (Score:2)
BTW In the ARG colony theres an image of a videogame store and the sign of the xbox is right on top of playstation (no guessing on the meaning there!) what is curious is that Nintendo is in the next window almost at the same level than the XBOX sign, just sitting there. It is weird. Does it mean MS doesnt see Nintendo as a competitor Or does
Wintendo (Score:2)
Analysts have been speculating about MS and Nintendo joining forces (or working in a joint project) for years
If true, it'll bring a new meaning to the term Wintendo [catb.org].
Re:What does this have to do with revolution? (Score:1)
Well, the last number of IEEE Spectrum [ieee.org]covers some new 3D projection devices. One [ieee.org] of them consists of a sphere (much like a plasma ball) in which a translucent screen rotates (you know, revolves?) and several colored lasers project light into it.
Persistance of vision causes the eey to perceive a 3D image, much as you see the time floating in the air on those whacky clocks that have leds mounted on a rapidly moving arm, but in 3D
This is not to say, of course, that such a device would be sold at 250 buck
Re:Stupid! (Score:2)