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Square Enix Considers Revolution Support 81

Posted by Zonk from the final-fantasy-returns-to-roost? dept.
IGN reports on a recent interview with Square-Enix president Wada, where it's revealed that the RPG crafting company is considering heavily supporting the Nintendo Revolution. From the article: "One area that Wada seems to be impressed with is a particularly controversial side of Nintendo's Online plan. In his comments posted at Impress Game Watch yesterday, Iwata states that Nintendo is going through with the idea of letting players connect only to players whom they've met in real life. While it's unclear how strict Nintendo plans to be with this idea (Animal Crossing DS is reported to allow for play amongst strangers), Wada applauds the move in his comments today, stating 'It gives the image of taking the real world seamlessly into the virtual world.'"
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  • Square-Enix president Wada

    That sounds like a character George Lucas would make up.
  • How do they know if you know someone in real life in order to play with them? And, why is it a problem if you play with "strangers?" I like the way Nintendo is FINALLY going with online connectivity. I had X-Band back in the day with a 28.8 modem, played people all over with Killer Instinct on SNES.

    • Re:How do they know? (Score:2, Interesting)

      by KDR_11k ( 778916 )
      That's probably referring to the DS in which case "know" would mean had a direct DS connection to.
    • I think that they mean that their online connectivity will not have an auto connect feature. You'll probably need to have a friends list, that way the play will probably seem a little more competitive. I wouldn't be surprised if online communities started springing up allowing people to "meet" for competition purposes.
      I personally think that this would be really cool, if this is the direction that Nintendo is going. And this might be just what Nintendo needs to get back into the US console market.
      • Yeah, but wouldn't that restrict your online play? I mean, if I jump online for a quick bout of ->INSERT GAME-, and my 3 friends who have the game are offline, where does that leave me? And what about large team VS team matches?
        • I suppose that it may restrict online play a little bit, but I think that overall playing against people you know is a more enjoyable experience. When you're playing people that you actually keep in contact with there is a level of accountability and certain expectations that you develop. I know when I play MMO's I have the most fun playing with people that I've known for a while because I know their playing styles and have some idea of their skill levels. I don't really find it that entertaining to hop onl

  • Cue standard complaints (Score:5, Interesting)

    by KDR_11k ( 778916 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @04:47PM (#12513349)
    I expect many people to complain about that possibility of restricting you to people you know (which would be zero for me considering friends without DSes don't count). I agree that it doesn't make much sense to hardcode that, it'd be much better to make that an option for parents.

    With children it makes sense to restrict your connections since you probably don't want your kids to meet with strangers to "trade Pokemon" but adults usually don't risk being abducted by paedophiles. Of course they couldn't connect to people with access restrictions, either but at least the rest can play online even when nobody they know is online or they simply don't know anyone else with the hardware. I mean, the whole point of online gaming is that you can play with anyone no matter where you are. This limit defeats the point.

    Well, let's just hope that gets limited to games targeted only at children (as opposed to the ominous "everyone" demographic Nintendo is often talking about) or even just Japan (I could see NoA and NoE cutting that unless NCL forces them to include it).
    • The other reason I could see them doing this (and I don't mean to demean Nintendo, I love them as much as anyone) is so that someone can't buy zero DS games and just play online with anybody whenever they want. This is a possibility given that some DS games support online play with a cartridge in only one of the DS's.
    • ...adults usually don't risk being abducted by paedophiles
      ...But he said he had candy... and his van looked so inviting...

      On a totally unrelated note, it's hard to type standing up.

    • the whole point of online gaming is that you can play with anyone no matter where you are

      This is an excellent point.

      After reading the article, it seems that Square Enix is backtracking on it's prior stance on openness -- for instance Square Enix's MMORPG (Final Fantasy XII) showed an *unprecedented* amount of player-player communication:

      1. People using both consoles (Playstation 2) and computers could fight together [something which is unseen in any major MMORPG]

      2. People from Japan and America co

    • Re:Cue standard complaints (Score:4, Insightful)

      by SetupWeasel ( 54062 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @05:38PM (#12513817) Homepage
      Considering no details have been announced yet, we should all keep our panties unbunched for the moment.

      Think of online play now. Most systems now give you access to everyone and people try to branch off into smaller groups to get away from internet jerks. This doesn't always work, however, as often times random people still have access. Watching my friend play NFL 2K3 on XBOX live highlights the problem. He's good, and more often than not opponents disconnect, quit, or act like total jerks when he is winning.

      Now imagine an opt in system. You look online for certain groups. These groups have rules you have to play by. Moderators can kick you out if you don't follow them. Because it is an opt-in system only, these groups would not be affected by outsiders at all. The downside would be to do the legwork to find groups of people to play with. The upshot is that internet ass clownery is greatly reduced. It will result in more finished games, more civil attitudes, and more fun.

      That's my take on the whole thing. In games like MMORPGs or Animal Crossing most of the game is centered around player to computer conflict, but in sports or fighting games you have direct conflict with another human, and the current anonymous system leads to alot of frustration. I think Nintendo is trying to reduce this.

      That's just my opinion though.
      • I think you might be on to something there. While Nintendo may be trying to branch out more into the adult market, they're trying to do it without jeopardizing the kid market, which for online play pretty much demands restricting players in some way.

        I got a survey from Nintendo a couple of days ago (what can I say, I register my games) asking for opinions on online play in a wide variety of Nintendo's franchises (among them: Zelda, Metroid, Pokemon, Animal Crossing), and one of the options for each one wa
    • Did I miss something, TFA was about Revolution, yea? Not the DS. Or are we expecting the two to be linked so closely that they're basicaly one system?
      • The online platform appears to be the same for both.

        From TFA: Nintendo's networking plan is, according to Wada, "not just a portable, not just a console -- it's exactly what we wanted in that it's the birth of a completely new platform."
    • Don't be so narrow minded. A feature like this wont be all bad and only for kids. Think of it this way, you'll have a whitelist of people you are willing to play with. And only if both parties communicate with each other in some way can they play games with each other. As long as the whitelist is unlimited in size, this would be awesome.

      No more problems of people dropping out of games. No more problems of accidentally getting team killers on your side. I know tons of people who have only one argument abou
      • What I meant to say is that as much as this system protect small children from playing with pedophiles it also prevents kiddies from playing in games with you or me. Gone will be the days of trying 20 CS servers until there are decent people to play with. Everytime you login there will be some quality gaming action. Unless you're a loser who can't make friends in real life or the internet. But then again, if you're such a loser like that why are you buying a game console which is primarily designed for muti
      • The issue is that Iwata makes it sound like they're enforcing this for everyone. It'd be better if you could simply select an option that keeps out strangers and disable it when you want to play online while none of your friends are online (or those who are aren't interested in that game).
  • "Nintendo Fanboys come here and cheer at unison!"

    Anyway, whats the big surprise? square already had deals with Nintendo and the result was the highly polemic FF: CC which had more "legend of mana" and "teletubby" look than FF but still managed to be a good game. (although no true FF fan would drool over it) and xbox users well.. MS has a guy who worked in FF. so cheering is optional.

    FF is still controlled by Sony, FF XII is coming for ps2/3 (for better or worse since a lot of reviewers have bashed it by n
    • FF12 is coming to the PS2 but from there onwards nothing is known. Could very well be that Dragon Warrior 9 or Final Fantasy 13 are released on a Nintendo system. OTOH they might not use their old franchises since they seem to be going for online-only games nowadays.

      They aren't loyal to Sony, that much is sure. They are loyal to whoever has the biggest userbase. Which explains why the DS is getting better support (3 games announced so far, AFAIK) from them than the PSP (FF:AC, what else?). Of course they'l
    • the highly polemic FF: CC

      polemic [m-w.com] : 1 a : an aggressive attack on or refutation of the opinions or principles of another b : the art or practice of disputation or controversy -- usually used in plural but sing. or plural in constr.
      2 : an aggressive controversialist
      I'm honestly curious, what did you mean to say?
  • that in the real world I can meet new people and make new friends. Or is this just an attempt by Nintendo to get the geeks out of their houses and communicate via the antiquated method of oral vibration modulation in realtime meat-space?
    • No, i think that they are trying to avoid realtime meat-space. At least, as far as children are concerned.

      i just hope you can disable it. The idea of a parental lock is great. Just don't penalize me for some weird stalker's fetish . . .
    • maybe you could meet them on the internet, duh.

      No one said how you meet them.
      • except that it said "met in real life"...
        • Which is completely impossible to enforce, and everyone knows it.

          On the other hand, having the ability to build a "whitelist" of players with which you may game would be a boon for those of us who don't like playing with assholes over the internet.

          • Re:Except... (Score:3, Interesting)

            by Lehk228 ( 705449 )
            not completely, each console comes with a cryptographically enabled dongle, the only way to disclose a gaming public key is to exchange nintendo-signed system public keys by plugging twho dongles together. you must have a dongle containing your opponent's key in order to establish a secure gaming connection to his or her machine.

            don't say it can't be done, it can be quite easilly, also not very expensive if you make it more breakable 64 or 96 bit crypto.
          • Not exactly. Having the DS only whitelist other DSes within local wireless range would already limit you.
  • This isnt that surprising. With the only other exceptions being the hugely unproven and newcomer to the handheld market, the PSP, and the largely written off as a failure NGage, the DS is the only logical choice. SE has been working on handhelds for a while now (FF Dawn of Souls, FF: Crystal Chronicals, FF:Before Crisis...) so going from the GBA and cell phones to the DS isn't very hard to accept.
    • Although the game isn't supposed to be released until late 2006 or so, Square has mentioned that FF7: Crisis Core will be for PSP, so I doubt they will abandon the PSP completely
  • This is a great idea for Nintendo. It means that parents can let their kids play these games without worry that they would meet any one. I'd think that there should be options for discovering others in the same zipcode or region though. I never knew who had what system when I was growing up. I still don't know who owns what and I'm not going to ask. I'd like to give my kids the option of connecting to unknown kids in the same area.

    I hate to say it, but they should request lists of registered sex offenders
    • I'd think that there should be options for discovering others in the same zipcode or region though
      Wouldn't that INCREASE the problem with child abductions/pedophilia? Finding perverts near your child to be abducted, instead of making the pedophile commute to "meet" your children?
    • While I'm not a parent I really can't see the harm here. Sex offenders (of which pedophiles were never specified) are not going to leap out of the television and molest your children. It seems highly unlikely that sex offenders would even be bothered to spend the time playing online games in the hope that they might be able to eventually convince a child to meet them. If they want to molest children there are likely far simpler methods.

      Quite frankly the far more logical solution is the exact opposite of wh
    • Sex Offenders are not always the stalking perverted Jeckle/Hyde's the media makes them out to be.

      The last one in my area:
      Was a 25yr old...
      Who when he was 18...
      Had sex...
      With his now wife...
      Who was 17 at the time...

      OMG HE'S A MICHEAL JACKSON WAITING TO HAPPEN!

      (should I even mention that it wouldn't have been illegal in a neighboring state, and it only came to trial because her folks were pissy since they were finacially better off and though he was a jerk for being lower middle class)

  • Chrono Trigger (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MoonFacedAssassin ( 539728 ) * on Thursday May 12, 2005 @05:15PM (#12513613)
    If they decided to remake, enhance, redesign, etc., Chrono Trigger for the Revolution, I'd buy the game system simply to play that. Chrono Trigger has to have been one of the best RPGs to date. The Final Fantasy series was great, but I always keep going back to Chrono Trigger and the 12 or so possible endings to that game. I know there was Chrono Cross, but from what I hear it didn't live up to Chrono Trigger's legacy.
    • Chrono Cross was a fantastic game. The plot was marvelous. The music was completely fantastic. It was Chrono Trigger all grown up. This is why Chrono Trigger's fans generally panned it.

      About the only downside I can see to the game is the ginormous character roster, which makes character development for the lesser characters much thinner. The game's plot pathing could have been expanded further to cover the character development more to allow for that many characters. Of course, some of them like Tulip an
      • Based on your description, as soon as I finally purchase my PS2, and after I'm done with the Star Wars Episode 3 game which I'm addicted to right now (playing on a friend's PS2), I will probably buy Chrono Cross and try it out. I still play Chrono Trigger from time to time so I would love to try Chrono Cross out.
  • I think the online thing is sort of lame. I want the ability to play with my friends specifically if I want to, but to limit me to ONLY those people would just be silly. Imagine only playing an Xbox Live game with just the hand ful of people you know who own xboxes and have xbox live. It would just get boring.

  • Neg. (Score:2)

    by schild ( 713993 )
    Won't happen. Squeenix needs revenue (badly, they're hemmorhaging on the Square side) and they won't have the market they need with the Revolution. They have 2 choices: MS and Sony. So sorry.

    • Re:Neg. (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Square needs money for one reason: Final fantasy (the movie). The only way they can generate more income is to sell more games (that should be a Maddenism) and they're selling as many games as they can on the PS2 currently; which means that they have to produce games on other platforms. The reasons they might choose Nintendo rather than Microsoft to support are that

      1)Being a Japaneese company Nintendo's coporate culture is closer to their own.

      2)Square/Enix produces a lot of RPGs (which sell well in Japan)
  • As a die-hard FF fan, I really wish Square would either pick a system and just stick with it, or release for multiple platforms.

    I own the PS1 and PS2 only because of Square. Honestly. Now they have one game on the GC, another on the GBA. I'm very suprised there is no X-Box game.

    It will be interesting if the migrate back to Nintendo and leave the PS3 behind. But if they release FF13 for the Revolution and FF14 on the PS3, I'm going to be pissed.

    And broke.
    • I think you'll find square enix have released several games on the GBA in Japan (The full metal alchemist series for example) and quite a few world wide. If all you'v eplayed is crappy FF games I advice you to go pick up Sword of mana, it's an awesome RPG with alot of depth and alot more fun then "tap attack and watch".
      • Comment removed based on user account deletion
      • Well I've played other FF games, mostly older ones like Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger/Cross, Parasite Eve... and they were each good in their own ways.

        Fact is I only have so much time to really play games, so I have to be picky. But having to spend my money on 2-3 systems doesn't help.
        • to be perfectly honest I'm the same. Unless they bring out some amazing games for the PS2 I'll stick to the revolution. As for the Xbox.. well I don't like the look of it and to be honest the Xbox just doesn't intrest me..

          Back hen I was 10-11 I was happy to buy everything I could get my hands on, now I'm almost 20 and games wise I've not bought much at all. It tends to get to the point where I'm only buying games I REALLY want to play (Usually some weird Japanese RPG or mecha game) or something which is a

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