Is HD Important To The Future of Gaming? 77
Gamasutra's weekly question to the industry taps the pulse of designers and developers on the importance of HD in gaming. From the article: " Absolutely. After seeing a game like Oblivion in HD, I think most gamers will never look back. That's going to affect the amount of time and money that gets put into top-shelf games. It's certainly going to increase the market for texture designers. -Morgan LaVigne, Classroom, Inc "
well (Score:1)
Re:well (Score:3, Insightful)
As for whether HD is critical to gaming, the answer should be DUH. It's been answered on the PC for years. 320x200 stopped being "enough" over 10 years ago. 640x480 (for practical purposes, this is standard TV r
Re:well (Score:2)
The latest generation of games are really hurting my aging 6800 though, NFSMW, F.E.A.R and Civ IV all have amazing and demanding graphics engines.
Certainly, however, anything below 1024x768 is a joke nowadays, and that includes trying to play a game on an analog CRT television set.
Re:well (Score:2)
I stopped playing FPSs a few years ago, firstly because I don't think there's anything more that can be done with the genre th
Re:well (Score:2)
And, as for anything below 1024 being silly, that is just because PC games tend to have lots of menus and small HUDs, that do not look well on 800x600 or lower. But you really are not losing gameplay, unless you count things like not being able to snipe people from one side of the map to the other in BF2.
i think it will be important for the jocks who buy Madden XX every year, as they will always
Re:well (Score:1)
Re:well (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm pretty sure that 50% of HD TV owners report they're not using them for HD. I would be a small fortune that another 30% aren't using them for HD, but report that they are.
For example, in the last Slashdot article about this very subject a disturbingly large number of Slashdot posters reported that they receive and HD signal only when they watched DVDs. In other words, a large number of Slashdotters would report that they're using their television for HD, but would be wrong.
Re:well (Score:1, Interesting)
Consumer demand for HDTVs is still very very low, and the majority of people that own HDTVs do not use them for HD content, Including myself. There is not a single HD device connected to my HDTV.
I certainly dont regret the purchase. It makes the dvds and games I already have look FANTASTIC.
Not in my house (Score:5, Insightful)
But then again, I'm a cynical prick
Re:Not in my house (Score:3, Interesting)
It's going to be a long long time before I go out to replace any of the 10 tv's in this house. I've been playing games at near "HD" quality on my PC for ages now. Sure HL2 looks brilliant at high resolution, but (unfortunately) it doesn't play any better than it does at 640x480.
I'm seriously disinterested with this next line of consoles. The PS3 and the Xbox360 promise high-definition gaming, but what else? I just get the feeling I'm going to be playing this generation's games on the next generatio
Re:Not in my house (Score:2, Insightful)
It's good that folks like you have been able to come to this kind of conclusion within the first two months of the "next generation."
And, talk about a dumb question on which to base an article. Of course HD is important to the future of gaming. It's so by virtue of the fact that, at some point, there will only BE high-definition tele
Re:Not in my house (Score:1)
Personally (and I'm sure a lot of people feel this way) because of the low penetration and the high prices of HDTV's, what real interest am I supposed to have in a feature that I'm not going to be using until maybe 5 or 6 years down the roa
Re:Not in my house (Score:2)
In any case, there's a solution that doesn't require a new TV: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360vgahd c able/ [xbox.com]
Plugs right into your TV monitor. Haven't tried it myself. I went for an LCD TV from Dell [dell.com], nifty, as it doubles as a TV (with a TV tuner), HDTV for gaming, and a computer LCD.
The DS is HD young one (Score:2)
Each version sported massivly improved graphics. Wich is all that HD is. Higher resolution.
Check the "resoltion" on your DS. The screen real estate is simply 2x the size!!! as that of what game before.
Oh and you can't afford HD? What are you sitting behind whe
Re:The DS is HD young one (Score:3, Insightful)
No it wasn't. Compared to the images of pretty much any LCD game, the sprites in GB screen were unbelievably blocky. What GB did was allow the sprites to move freely, instead of just from one prepainted position to another; but as far as image quality goes, those old LCD displays beat GB hands down - and if we're just talking resolution and sharpness, they propably still beat any pixel-based display in
Re:The DS is HD young one (Score:2)
Re:Not in my house (Score:2)
Re:Not in my house (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Not in my house (Score:2)
Re:Not in my house (Score:2)
1) people will start buying HDTVs in the US due to the govt approving the switch to digital TV in three years, so people are going to rush to buy new tvs... regardless of what the govt says about subsidizing convertors for everyone. people [americans esp] wont wait until the last minute to buy a new tv if they think they may miss reruns of sex in the city, survivor and lost.
2) with all of these con
Yep, right on the nose. (Score:5, Funny)
HD will allow us to make better, more engaging games. It'll make them more fun, more challenging. It'll force us to innovate by creating new interfaces and new philosophies. HD will certainly improve the quality of game software, make games more accessible to the general public, and will even go so far as to absolve gaming for being responsible for violent crime.
Chess is a great game. Chess doesn't care about HD. It never did and it never will. Article gets -1 Irrelevant. Thanks for another gem, Zonk.
Re:Yep, right on the nose. (Score:2)
Re:Yep, right on the nose. (Score:2)
HD is a technology advancement/benefit. If you want to focus on gameplay rather than graphics, then go right ahead-- You'll have the tools available to use HD if you want.
HDTV's are becoming more and more common in homes.. and even if you don't have an HDTV, you can pick up a $20 XBox360 VGA cable and enjoy 720i HDTV gaming on your PC monitor.
And if you want to develop for the XBox360, you'll have to do your development in HD as well as SD. Don't like that? Then go develop fo
Re:Yep, right on the nose. (Score:2)
I suppose I find it offensive that these blurbs are allowed to editorialize the content behind them which, in effect, IS Zonk telling me what to believe. The games page is being run in a very counter-slashdot manner, in my opinion. I believe that the posts should come from the users more tha
HD does effect gameplay (Score:3, Insightful)
When I used to play Shadow Warrior on a lan playing in 640x480 gave me a huge edge, I could see
Re:Yep, right on the nose. (Score:1)
The topic is about the nature of the presentation of the content, not the content itself.
Sometimes the fidelity, the quality of the experience count
Re:Yep, right on the nose. (Score:1)
-1 irrelevant??
Every person who makes games for a living and is breathing right now will have to ask themselves the 16:9 HD question. And that, my friend, makes it totally relevant.
I'd say your little snippet about chess is irrelevant. I know they throw the occasional bone to Kasparov, Deep Blue, whatever...but c'mon, really, have you been reading this site much lately?
Re:Yep, right on the nose. (Score:2)
Yes, I agree that a game needs to look good to be truly great, but looking good is more about style and vision that pixel count. Also, HTF does upping the resolution lead to more innovative interface
Re:Yep, right on the nose. (Score:2)
It looks better... (Score:5, Insightful)
The Future Of Gaming (Score:4, Insightful)
If there isn't more innovation people are going to get bored and stop playing.
Yes! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Yes! (Score:2)
Is HD essential for games? If you go by the actual dictionary definition of essential, no.
Want to use the marketing definition instead (hell, the article seems to, so why not?)? HD games are not ever close to new. Games have exceeded the resolution available on even the best televisions available to
In my eyes, no. (Score:5, Insightful)
Real time graphics have come a long way. However, I'm still watching DVDs that are far more visually stunning than I'm seeing on video game systems. In the mean time, to crank out the higher resolution stuff, you need more memory and more processing power. The result? Well, sure, you're rendering at higher resolutions, but you're not gaining much detail. Just some clarity. (Slower frame rates, to boot.)
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to play in HD, but plain ol broadcast still has a ways to go.
HD is not new... (Score:3, Insightful)
The only thing more "HD" about the 360 is that it's probably about 3x as powerful as my desktop. But that'll change, and I don't have to pay a subscription fee to download demos of indy games. For that matter, how can a game be "indy" if it's published by Microsoft? I'd hardly call them "independent"...
And I don't really want to pay $50 for a 360 game. Know why? Because they will almost certainly be too short/repetitive. UT2004 installed on something like 5 or 10 gigs, and then there were mods -- piles and piles of mods -- and that was nowhere near the level of detail in current "next-gen" or "HD" games, and yet, Microsoft stuck with the DVD format. I don't want to swap discs, and developers know this, so games will probably stay on one disc, meaning either lower detail, shorter games, or much more repitition.
If not, well then, there are good games that are relatively small -- Half-Life 2 is just over a gig -- but in that case, I'll just stick with PC gaming, thank you very much.
I'll wait to buy my 360 until it has a solid Linux port, and I can get a DVI cable to plug it into my monitor. Even then, I might just buy an original xbox -- they're getting cheaper every day.
And for the record, I'm as much of a pixel whore as anyone else, but I don't see enough good "HD" content coming out to pull me away from my very low-definition, high-content MMO. Nexus forever!
Re:HD is not new... (Score:2)
If you want a gaming console, go buy an XBox360 and hook it up to your SD or HD TV. Enjoy.
If you want a multipurpose machine capable of business applications, gaming, multimedia.. then buy a PC, hook it up to a nice monitor. Enjoy.
A lot of people love to talk up that their PC is more capable games/graphics wise than the 360, but if you do the math you're flat out wrong-- as I've said in other comments, you cannot build (for $400) a PC capable of 1920
Re:HD is not new... (Score:3, Informative)
See, I don't want to play a souped up version of Space Invaders.
I want to play FPS games (and do the aiming myself instead of relying on autoaim).
I want to play MMORPG's and use a keyboard to chat with people while I'm playing.
I want to play open source games and download mods and maps without paying a fee to Microsoft.
I want the freedom to upgrade to bleeding edge graphics far superior to the 360 whenever I want.
I want the luxury of choosing which CPU to install ne
Re:HD is not new... (Score:2)
Ahh, yes, but not primarily a console gamer..
I want to play open source games and download mods and maps without paying a fee to Microsoft.
Do you know that all 360 owners get an XBox Live silver subscription for free?
Only to Console Gaming (Score:3, Interesting)
My argument is mainly that this is not a result of HD; HD has just appeared at a time when this is now possible. If we had HD 10 years ago, we would have high resolution displays with low resolution games & art. If we still didnt have HD today, we'd still have pretty nice computer monitors which would take advantage of the high resolution artwork that UE3 and the like is offering. HD just ensures it will be spread into the mainstream even faster through consoles as opposed to computers. Hopefully it will also raise the expectations of game art & assets in general for all games & systems.
If I could, I'd mod up this quote from the article (Score:4, Informative)
-Derick Eisenhardt, EMH Games
Re:If I could, I'd mod up this quote from the arti (Score:1)
I'll say it again for all you techno-utopians: Most people do not
Re:If I could, I'd mod up this quote from the arti (Score:2)
Personally, I agree that they wont be in even half the houses by 2007, but I do think there is a good chance that most hard-core, and many 'normal' gamers will have access to HD by XMas 2007. By then, the market will be big enough to support HD games (e.g. games that take advantage of HD and are geared for hard-core gamers).
This assumes that HD TV continue to go down in price, and more HD content (TV, HD-DVD, Games) becomes avail
Re:If I could, I'd mod up this quote from the arti (Score:1)
Re:If I could, I'd mod up this quote from the arti (Score:2)
do you think said salesman is going to say... "hey, buy this cheap converter that is partially subsidized by the govt"? do you think hes going
Sure thing! (Score:2)
hmm, let me think... (Score:2)
of course, how fscking obvious??!?? We game mostly in "HD" anyway unless we play on consoles or handhelds. Hell, I am playing nethack in 1280x1024 as we speak
How many pc gamers with a half decent rig play at 720x576 (or local equivalent??), which is the maximum resolution of PAL... no, we play at 1280x1024 on our LCD monitors or 1600x1200 on our massive CRTs with SLI 7800GTX's. It is inevetable that console games will want to improve resolution to match those capable on PC games; they would rather
Re:hmm, let me think... (Score:1)
Yes, HD is more than welcome for consoles.
Re:hmm, let me think... (Score:1, Flamebait)
Who is 'we'? Most people who play games either play them with consoles on the TV, or something like the Sims or minesweeper taking up a small part of a 800x600 PC monitor.
How many pc gamers with a half decent rig play at 720x576 (or local equivalent??), which is the maximum resolution of PAL... no, we play at 1280x1024 on our LCD monitors or 1600x1200 on our massive CRTs with SLI 7800GTX's.
This 'we' rears his ugly head again. I presume it
No (Score:2)
Umm...yeah (Score:2)
Re:Umm...yeah (Score:2)
Re:Umm...yeah (Score:1)
1080p YAY!! 720p NAY!! (Score:1)
The jump from SD to 720p just doesn't seem worth it to me, especially as games look nowhere near their counterparts of real life footage. Real life boxing still looks better than Fight Night, RL football still looks better than EA Sports FIFA Soccer, racing coverage better than GT4 and
HD is a PART of the future of gaming (Score:2, Insightful)
Something had to be done (Score:2)
It is important to Sony. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:It is important to Sony. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:It is important to Sony. (Score:2)
I'm thinking they will release an add-on, like Nintendo did with the Gamboy Player.
The most important feature is not resolution (Score:1)
However going from 480i to 480p is an incredible improvement for games. Of course 720p would be even better and if you can handle 1080p (my TV does not) that would kick ass if the performance was good.
As for it being needed, I don't think it's a determing factor for t
Re:The most important feature is not resolution (Score:1, Interesting)
I've always said this:
Put Lord of the Rings (or some other visually impressive movie) into a progressive scan DVD player and play it on your HD television. THAT's the graphics ceiling for 480p on an HD-capable television set. Do you see many jaggies? How about that framerate?
480p in gaming is nowhere near its ceiling, and is more than adequate for this next generation.
Why HD is NOT important to the future... (Score:2, Informative)
2) Xbox 360 and PS3 are the very first consoles (that I know of) that are requiring the consumer to CHANGE their TV to get the most out of the console. No console has ever done this. This means many people will not thi
Re:Why HD is NOT important to the future... (Score:2)
You're a moron. Every console that has come with Composite video output (everything since the original NES) could be classified as this. If you didn't (and some people still don't) have a TV with A/V input jacks, you were stuck seeing an RF-modulated signal, which is a much poorer quality signal than the console will provide.
We're
Re:Why HD is NOT important to the future... (Score:1)
HD has been around for a long time (Score:2, Interesting)
Now, on the PC it's fairly common to have people running in 1280x1024 mode. 1600x1200 resolution is possible for most people, but due to screen size and limited UI scaling in appli
HD is not innovation. (Score:1)
Truly innovative gameplay, however, is less quantifiable. It isn't necessarily something you can immediately identify, especially if you've been trained to believe that flashy graphics are the epitomy of innovation. The second risk here is that the consumer
When will we learn? (Score:2)
HD is nice, it isn't like OMFGWTFASIANHOOKER!!!11!1, just a nice upgrade in visuals. Most of us