Kotaku Games Blog Sued By Jack Thompson 126
Reacting to Kotaku's coverage of comments Thompson made last week about the VA Tech incident, Thompson has sued Kotaku and their parent company Gawker media. He also tried to sic the FBI on them (getting as much success there as he did with the Penny Arcade gents). From GamePolitics' coverage: "Thompson's ire was apparently raised by Kotaku reader comments which the attorney maintains are threatening. He also alleges in the complaint that Kotaku and Gawker declined to remove the menacing posts. The messages in question stem from Kotaku's coverage of Thompson's claims that video games prompted last week's Virginia Tech massacre. The Gawker suit is actually an amendment to an action Thompson filed on March 13th against the Florida bar. On April 11th he amended it to include the members of the Florida Supreme Court. And now Gawker joins the list of defendants."
Self Sacrifice? (Score:4, Funny)
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The Florida bar "kicked his ass" the last time he sued them by dropping 20 g's in his lap to shut him up.
Problem is, he didn't stay shut up, so he's before the FL supreme court facing disciplinary charges. He's not facing any felonies (not since Take-Two settled) so they probably won't do much more than suspend him for a year or two, if that.
It still doesn't affect his standing to file suits. Still, I see Kotaku collecting
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He must therefore have actually had a case last time, if the fucking bar decided to settle - since settling sends a message to others with similar potential lawsuits that they should bring those suits as they are likely to win.
But it's pretty clear that he doesn't this time, and that he's just batshit crazy and drunk on the attention of the media.
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Stick a fork in him.. (Score:1, Redundant)
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"Waah! Your readers were mean to me!"
If only all the nutjobs were as easily dismissable as Jack.
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I heard QQ used in daoc over 4 years ago, and in IRC further back than that, its just a slang term for text chat
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Fortunately, we are spared the burden of trying to find a way; his comments do more damage to his own reputation than ANYTHING another human being could possibly say.
Methinks you're falling into a bit of a fallacy here. While I dislike Jack Thompson as much as anyone else on Slashdot, the fact of the matter is: there's a crowd out there with whom his statements resonate, and the more vehemenant he words them, the more appealing these people find it.
Just like how us nerds would get a major giggle if some judge told the RIAA to "stuff it up their ass" (rather than the typical legalese), the "moral majority" will only see him as a strong voice of his twisted, neurot
Grandpa (Score:5, Funny)
read the lawsuit (Score:4, Funny)
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I'd buy one of those t-shirts!
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S'ok. I've written to the headquarters of a few stores to complain about their lack of selection and referred to their buyers as "either incompetent or stupid". Granted, that didn't help my case to get them to change their selection but it felt good to let them know what I thought of the people who do their buying.
Jack's probably the same way. It makes him feel good even if it doesn't get results.
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"The happy result was that Thompson is now the only officially Bar-certified sane lawyer in Florida."
Wow. I can't believe this guy puts things like this into legal filings.
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Rule him vexatious already! (Score:5, Insightful)
"Vexatious litigation is legal action which is brought, regardless of its merits, solely to harass or subdue an adversary. It may take the form of a primary frivolous lawsuit or may be the repetitive, burdensome, and unwarranted filing of meritless motions in a matter which is otherwise a meritorious cause of action. It is considered an abuse of the judicial process and almost always brings down sanctions on the offender." -- wikipedia [wikipedia.org]
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Well, I actually don't think he does this to "harass or subdue an adversary"...
The pettifogger follows that pattern:
http://www.vgcats.com/jack.php [vgcats.com] - Jack Thompson makes threats to press criminal charges for harassment - even though he initiated the conversation
http://kotaku.com/gaming/jack-thompson/penny-arcad e-vs-jack-thompson-131534.php [kotaku.com] - Jack Thompson requests a police investigation when Penny Arcade donates to a charity.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/legal/another-jackass-tho mpson-lawsuit-coming-202894.php [kotaku.com] - Jack Thompson in an infamous anti-T2 GTA case.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/jack- [kotaku.com]
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I'm still not convinced he's "just an asshole" (though I'm sure he is that as well), But I do believe he has a base of strong conviction about this issue... problem arises when someone isn't open to arguments anymore (which he had demonstrated) and uses any means to get what he wants, no matter how morally dispicable.
To me, it's obvious this man doesn't deserve a legal license, but I'm not one to easily dismiss his ramblings as being just an arsehole...
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There I go again... bein
Dear Mr. Thompson, (Score:5, Insightful)
Much like you, we were deeply disturbed by the actions of the shooter at Virginia Tech and feel terribly for the families of the lost. However we deeply resent the fact that you have totally bypassed the issue at hand and chosen instead to scapegoat the electronic entertainment industry. Perhaps instead of blaming videogames (which are clearly not your area of expertise [teamxbox.com]) we should instead delve a little deeper in order to find what causes these depraved/deprived individuals to take such drastic measures. Your "proof" of a link to video game violence is tenuous at best - equivalent to such joke statistics as bread creating murderers [snopes.com]. Statistical correlation is not proof of cause and effect but beyond that, you have failed to even show a statistical correlation, instead bringing up the specific examples where the statistics say what you want to prove.
Like naysayers for the past several centuries, you see the advent of a new form of entertainment as the downfall of society. Novels, the waltz, radio and television have all been targetted in the past and so far civilization has emerged unscathed (but not unchanged).
Perhaps this is the issue; you (and millions of right-wing conservatives) are afraid of what the future may bring. Who knows what changes the liberalization of the West may bring?
In short, we feel that you are doing nobody any good - you are attempting (and luckily failing) to take the attention away from the actual issues (which in the case of the VT shooting are as of yet indetermined).
Signed,
Gamers of the world.
P.S. While we harbour you no malice, I wouldn't suggest you attempt any retribution - we have all been trained on "murder simulators" . . .
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Whether posting on Slashdot of all places is really going to reach anyone who's not a member of the choir already is another question, of course.
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> (and millions of right-wing conservatives) are afraid of what the future may bring
Yeah, because "millions of right-wing conservatives" don't play games. Because gamers are one vast hivemind and march in lockstep to the promised socialist future. What crap -- in a story about gaming! As if Democrats [breitbart.com] are immune from the knee-jerk "bash gamers" disease.
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> Who knows what changes the liberalization of the
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I think it's interesting to note that it's YOU, rather than the GP, who equated "right-wingers" with "republicans" - in fact, he only talked about politics in the general conservative/progressive (right/left) sense, never in terms of rep
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Just ignore him for now, he seems to be good at making nooses
How to discredit a madman: (Score:2)
step 2) write a Manifesto talking about how you were inspired by Mr. Thompson alone, and that you don't even own a video game system (i know, it disqualifies every slashdotter here, but i digress) for the actions that you are about to commit.
step 3) go on a murderous rampage
step 4) go to jail/die
step 5) JT blames it on video games anyway, and the media still believes the bullcrap he feeds them.
step 6) go back to step 1.
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Last I time I checked, Hillary Clinton [jackthompson.org] (NOT a right-wing conservative, in case you didn't know) shared the most similarities with Jack Thompson when it comes to violence in video games.
Thanks for the refreshing scent of partisan bullshit.
Seriously, what is it? (Score:2, Insightful)
I thought it was common sense that if you get proven wrong (or your lies dissected) that you get the fuck over
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I don't understand how people get so diluted in their views on reality. Can't they just realize that they are sometimes (read: often) wrong? Another recent example that stuck with me throughout this story is that of Michael Crook [slashdot.org]. (And in this example of Crook, after his apology video he posted an "I'm not really sorry, but I had to say it." video to YouTube. I'm not linking it to spare you all.)
I thought it was common sense that if you get proven wrong (or your lies dissected) that you get the fuck over it and get on with your life, right? The only thing to gain is a more wide-spread reputation -- but mind you, it's the type of reputation you want.
That said, what is it that spawns these people? They seem to infest society in both recent and dated history... Nobody ever likes them, so why do they do that to themselves?
Re:Seriously, what is it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Imagine that you have built a business around selling tiger-repelling rocks. Not crazy huge, but enough that you live quite comfortably and can even get on TV being interviewed about your success as a self-made entrepeneur.
Would you ever admit that the idea of a tiger-repelling rock is nonsense? Would you accept any proof that was offered, no matter how robust and bulletproof, that your rocks did nothing? Of course not. You might know that your rock is useless, but you aren't going to say so, because as long as your insistence that your rock does its job perfectly convinces some people, then they will buy your rocks and you continue to make money. When nobody believes you any more, well, then you just come out with the wolverine-repelling friendship bracelet and you're back in business.
"Video games (as opposed to complex social problems) cause violence" is all JT has. He isn't going to give that up so long as a single person is willing to point a microphone at him while he rants. When that day finally comes, then he'll find another boogey man to blame all of society's ills on, and suddenly people will start listening again. Just like he moved on from rap music to video games.
I don't think for a second that JT really thinks games drive people crazy. I think he thinks it's his only meal ticket. He's a lawyer, and being a lawyer is all about arguing for something vehemently that you don't necessarily agree with at all. While JT may be crazy, and most of his statements do give that impression, his fundamental motivation is probably greed rather than a distorted view of reality.
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A fair point, but I'm not sure exactly where he'd be getting money from now. He sure as hell wouldn't have time to actually represent clients, with all the frivolous lawsuits he keeps on submitting. I wouldn't think that too many media outlets would even need to offer him payment to get him to rant about gaming.
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Re:Seriously, what is it? (Score:5, Insightful)
No, because before video games, rap music was to blame for society's ills. And before that, pornography. Jack Thompson tilted at both of these windmills before he found his bete noir in video games.
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Before you say "duh", I'm not talking solely about his rhetoric or his reasoning, I'm talking about his capacities: as his rhetoric his filings have become increasingly deficient in even basic technical matters, as evidenced by today's news of his suit
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Actual quote from complaint (Score:4, Informative)
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Cause and Effect (Score:1, Funny)
You know the legal system is broken... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:You know the legal system is broken... (Score:4, Insightful)
it's b0rken. (Score:3, Interesting)
Sure it's broken. He's a vexatious litigant and a disgrace to the profession; he should be disallowed from filing lawsuits without explicit permission of the courts. That's it. Problem solved.
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Courts do that sometimes, but it takes a LOT to push them to that point. Believe it or not Jackie probably hasn't reached that level yet.
Those kinds of injunctions are aimed at people who will file dozens and dozens of lawsuits alleging insane conspiracies. Stuff that makes Thompsons rants look reasonable by co
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Even if they all got thrown out of court without complications, there is still a heavy cost incurred to society as everyone involved has to waste their time listening to this bitter man's empty threats. I don't know about you, but I have more important things to do in life than sit around in court every time some jackass disagrees with my opinions.
adding slashdot to the suit (Score:5, Funny)
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-Doom
-Texas Chainsaw Massacre (The Video Game)
-Resident Evil 4
-Gears of War
Each of these games have chainsaws in them, and according to JT, you can become quite skilled at using weapons in real life if you practice using them in the game. So after playing these games, you should be a great chainsaw murderer! Good luck!
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Oh yeah? Well, I am going to sneak up behind him, grab him by the throat and hold a knife to his neck. Then I am going to interrogate him and knock him out using a pressure point. I will hide his body in darkness, and while he is unconscious I will stand over him and repeatedly crouch slightly while shouting "FUCK YOU NOOB".
When he awakes, he will think I have left. As he tries to drive off, I will carjack him and crush him under the wheels of his own car as I drive off. When he gets up I will pull up alon
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Declaring yourself an expert is easy, I love it!
o.O (Score:4, Insightful)
If I were a lawyer I'd be deeply offended by that complaint. Lord help us if Jack ever writes a biblical commentary.
i'm glad... (Score:5, Insightful)
THe best thing to ever happen in the favor of gamers was Jack's soap box jump within hours of Vtech. Blaming games, and saying Cho never would NEVER have "learned to enjoy killing withoutplaying violent video games". Only to later find out, that Cho, well never really played games. Maybe mine sweaper to pass some boring class time.
He made the biggest fool of himself and lost all credibility he had. Jack's an empty shell and a nobody now. While someone else will eventually take his place in the crusade, gamers everywhere can comfortably play games without scrutiny.
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You're absolutely right. I was sure that they would find Counterstrike or some similar game on his computer, simply because he was an engineering college student, and Jack would
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He's still parroting the supposed Counter-Striking Cho did as a teen. I'm not sure that claim has really been validated anywhere, but the facts haven't ever proven much of a barrier to this man.
Couldn't be the real training... (Score:2)
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Jack took a chance and lost.
Expecting male college student to play nowadays is about as likely as them drinking (ie: very high).
He thought that such a loner would be a gamer and i
How Jack's mind works. (Score:2, Interesting)
To us, we may see this user's comment that that Jack should be shot for attempting to exploit the tragedy as the hyperbole that it is. To Jack though, this is potentially a trained killer making a threat, which is ridiculous
You mean "How Jack THOMPSON's mind works" (Score:2)
Please don't demean everyone else named Jack by failing to use his last name as well. Thanks.
Smoking Crack (Score:4, Funny)
Don't mind me, I'm just rambling...
Badge of Honor (Score:5, Funny)
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Scarier (Score:1)
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Hey, Jack, (Score:3, Interesting)
If video games really (Score:2, Insightful)
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I said it on Kotaku and I'll say it here... (Score:3, Funny)
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Public opinion is important. If we just ignore him then the people who are uninformed about games will get all their information from him alone and believe him. We need people speaking out for games just as much if not more then jack speaks against them and we need Jacks comments to be directly countered by ot
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Besides, he can serve a useful purpose too. I'd much rather have a rabiate dog like him oppose something I believe in than anyone else. That increases the chances of a legal verdict that whatever he opposes is, indeed, perfectly legal and should be protected.
Ban Phoenix Wright! (Score:4, Insightful)
It is clear to any right-thinking person that these so-called "games" are in fact Lawyer Simulations. Thanks to their brutal desensitization we are in danger of creating an entire generation of Jack Thompsons.
Please, think of the children.
-T.
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Amendment (Score:1)
Wait a second. Biting the hand that feeds? (Score:2)
I'd be very interested in seeing if anyone could get comments from anyone at the Florida Bar regarding Mr. Thompson, let alone this suit. I'm pretty sure hilarity would ensue.
In the words of MMORPGs.. (Score:1)
Jack Thompson doesn't get enough credit (Score:1)
Many people hate Mr. Thompson because they fail to realize the positive effect he's had on so many hopeless gamers in our society. His campaign to raise awareness of the fact that games are training simulations saved my life.
Thank you Mr. Thompson, thank you so much. I grew up playing Sega Genesis in the early 1990's, and without you I would be fully trained by now. I can't imagine how empty, meaningless, and flat out bizarre my life would be if I were still rolling along grassy hills jumping into ginormou
sharp shooter (Score:1)
Legal Language.... (Score:1)
"78. This was followed with other posts that Thompson should be struck with a baseball bat, shot in the face by an irate gamer, castrated and his testicles stuffed down his throat, and the exercise of other basic "constitutional" rights to advocate violence against an individual...Not!"
And also:
"71. Besides, science has now established the long-term effect of such violent entertainment consumption."
Has it? I thought at the moment the mo
Jack Thompson is an idiot (Score:2)