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Sony Crows About Blu-ray, Upcoming PS3 DVR Functionality 136

Eurogamer/GamesIndustry.biz reports on Sony's pleased statements about the PlayStation 3. The company has made a point to note that Blu-ray was totally worth it after recent comments by some developers who had problems fitting their titles onto a DVD. The interview with the site promises 'big things' for the format in the future. The future of the PS3 itself seems to have changes coming too: a television tuner and DVR functionality looks to be in the offing for the console. Microsoft announced similar plans earlier this year, but there are no firm dates for either company's use of the console.
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Sony Crows About Blu-ray, Upcoming PS3 DVR Functionality

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  • by _xeno_ ( 155264 ) on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @06:18PM (#20078491) Homepage Journal

    PS3 as a DVR, huh? Well, that raises the following questions:

    • Does it support CableCard?
    • If not, how does it change channels?
    • Does it support HD? (I'd assume it does.)
    • Is it an additional add-on? (I'd assume it is, with a remote.) If so, how much does it cost?
    • How does it compare to other DVRs? Specifically, does it require a subscription? Offer TV listings? Offer suggestions?
    • Can it record while a game is playing? While a movie (DVD/Blu-Ray) is playing?
    • Does it use the same hard drive that games use? Will they be competing for available space?

    I think that's my list of questions. I could see it working, but it'd have to be able to beat TiVo on ease of use. I'd rather have a separate DVR, but I can definitely understand that some people would want a combination console/DVD/Blu-Ray/DVR unit.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by LWATCDR ( 28044 )
      Gee I have been predicting this from the start.
      What I wonder in addition to all of your questions is.
      1. Will it let you save the shows to a memory stick to watch on your PSP?
      2 Will it let you use your PSP to watch shows over wifi served from your PS3?
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by amuro98 ( 461673 )
      This isn't the first time Sony has talked about something like this. I remember them talking about a DVR for the PS2 as well. In fact, wasn't that what the short-lived "PSX" was? (yes, there was a real product called "PSX" - and it didn't refer to the PS1 prototype.)

      However, with set-top boxes required to decrypt non-OTA HD channels, or even use a satellite dish, and the providers now also offer a built-in DVR for only a little more than their non-HD, non-DVR box, is there really a market for this?

      As muc
      • You do know that TiVo has at least 2 models, the Series 3 and the TiVo HD, that not only do HD but work with CableCard specs so that you don't NEED a separate set top box, right? As for being able to play a game while recording, why not? There is ample processing power, or the DVR component could even have a separate co processor to handle encoding/decoding/recording. We just don't know yet.
        • by amuro98 ( 461673 )
          Yes, I know about the series 3. I also know the series 3 is $300, and that Comcast doesn't support cablecard (how nice of them!)

          So I'll still have to get Comcast's cable box, Comcast's digital cable, and now I'm spending $100/mo. just for programming. And don't forget about the Tivo service fee...

          Oh, and since I already have the cable box, why not get DVR for just $10/mo more - that's about the same amount Tivo's 3 year service program costs.

          What about satellite? Well, DirecTivo is a thing of the past -
    • Obviously no details have been released yet, but we can at least speculate (I reorganized your questions):

      Is it an additional add-on? (I'd assume it is, with a remote.) If so, how much does it cost?

      Seeing as this would be a huge marketing thing if it was built in, I think we can assume that this would have to be an add-on. The PS3 has USB ports, so I'm thinking that's an obvious connection method.

      Does it support CableCard?

      I don't think we can answer that definitively, but seeing as they already make a dig [cnet.com]
    • The article seemed to refer to free terrestrial DVB digital broadcasting in new zealand.

      I wouldn't touch a CableCard based system if my life depended on it. I've never gotten it to work (or I should say my cable company who charge me to come to my house and fuck about for an hour at a time) have never gotten it to work for more than a day. CableCard is quite amusing. The Cable Industry is fucking me about in order to protect someone elses content, while the content providers themselves will sell it to me o

  • There's a headline for you. What, they're not supposed to be proud of their invention? A game wasn't unable to fit on a single DVD? If you're going to Sony bash, do it for something valid, like their rootkits, horrible customer service, or the way they managed to destroy Star Wars. Blu-Ray actually isn't bad, so when you gripe about it, it just makes your legitimate gripes look like more bellyaching.

    • by Winckle ( 870180 ) <markNO@SPAMwinckle.co.uk> on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @06:30PM (#20078613) Homepage
      Star Wars?

    • by cgenman ( 325138 )
      Actually, Bizzare Creations has since retracted that statement [bizarrecreations.com], saying instead that the real reason was they wanted to focus financial resources on a weather system.

      Which is all fine and good. "Crowing" about it seems reasonable (as defined as "to gloat, boast, or exult"). I'd hardly call that Bile. Also, Sony did use this slightly thin example to say that their Overpriced-but-with-blu-ray strategy had been vindicated.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    What the hell did people expect to happen when Microsoft made the inane decision to be the first console maker ever to actually ship a system with LESS storage space than a previous generation.

    Atari 2600
    NES - more storage space compared to previous gen
    Genesis - more storage space compared to previous gen
    N64 - more storage space compared to previous gen
    Playstation - more storage space compared to previous gen
    PS2/Xbox - more storage space compared to previous gen
    PS3 - more storage space compared to previous g
    • I do so hate responding to AC's, but just wanted to point out a fatal flaw in your argument. The 360 has a 20 GB base hard drive, some of which is taken up by system storage etc, but I know on my hard drive right now I have 14 GB free, odd if I only have a 7GB drive. Get your facts straight.
      • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward
        No the 360 does not have a 20 gig base harddrive. Some 360s have harddrives, some don't. Every 360 game is required to run without a harddrive(except some European sports game).

        That is why Rockstar has been complaining about what a nightmare being forced to support the gimped 360 is.

        And regardless of the lack of a standard harddrive, nothing is ever going to change the fact that the 360 has a gig less storage compared to the PS2 and Xbox last gen.

        That is so amazingly pathetic that only a company like Micros
        • Ok assuming you bought the actual version with the hard drive (most people do), here it is on Amazon.Com in the header for ya: http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Console-20GB-Hard-Driv e /dp/B000B43OY4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-3708007-6314047 ?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1186008321&sr=8-1 [amazon.com] Note where it says "Includes 20 GB Hard Drive". That is THE STANDARD size hard drive in the Premium SKU (the $399 model with the hard drive). In the new black "Elite" SKU they include 120GB Hard drives.
          • by amuro98 ( 461673 )
            Yes, yes, but there's also a "360 Core" SKU which doesn't include a HDD at all.

            This was solely created as a side-effect of Microsoft thinking that the PS3 was going to originally cost about $400. This way, Microsoft could point to the stupid Core unit and truthfully say "the 360 is cheaper."

            And despite the appearance of the Elite, the Core is still going to be sold for the foreseeable future.
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by Eivind ( 15695 )
            It's ridicolous though, isn't it ? a *20*GB HD ? And the console is *new* can you even imagine how ridicolous that will look in 3-4 years ? Can you even -get- them that small in retail if you try these days ? Sorta like how a 16MB memory-card today retails for aproximately the same price as a 2GB usb-memory (a factor of 128 bigger !)

            Yeah, I know they're laptop-drives, which gives miniscule bang-for-buck compared to 3.5" ones, but still.... 120GB is about standard for a new laptop these days, certainly not "
      • The 360 base system (also called the core system) doesn't have any harddrive. If you buy one of the others then you would have an HD with 20 or 120 gigs depending on the model.

        However if you take a minute and look at the AC's post it is pretty obvious that he's not talking about harddrive space. PS2 didn't have 4 gigs of HD space, the PS3 doesn't have any 25/50 gig models. Then when you look at all the other systems listed in his post they did not come with any form of HD. It's pretty clear he's talking abo
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward
          The PS2 had a standard dual layer DVD drive that supported 4GB for single layer discs and 8GB for dual layer discs.

          The Xbox had the same storage space as the PS2.

          The PS3 has a BluRay drive that supports 25GB for single layer discs and 50GB for dual layer discs.

          The Xbox 360 has a standard dual layer DVD drive that supports 3.5GB for single layers discs and 7GB for dual layer discs.

          There is some sort of DRM/security reason that around a gigabyte of storage is used on 360 discs. The exact details have never be
          • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

            by Anonymous Coward
            I'm assuming you're the same person who posted about this last time, so:

            Can you PLEASE provide a link that corroborates this, that isn't a two year old Digg article and isn't the Wikipedia?

            Otherwise, I think you're full of it. There's no way a DRM scheme would waste that much space. I think you're confusing "dummy files" with DRM.
            • by donaldm ( 919619 )
              The PS2 had a standard dual layer DVD drive that supported 4GB for single layer discs and 8GB for dual layer discs.
              See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_ 2 _DVD-9_games [wikipedia.org]

              The Xbox had the same storage space as the PS2.
              This one is not true the Xbox had a 8GB disk drive (http://www.xbreporter.com/xbox_system_specificati ons.php) but a modded Xbox could take a much bigger drive. The PS2 could take a 40GB add-on disk drive although from what I can gather it wasn't really supported.

              The PS3 h
  • Sony making a PVR (Score:2, Insightful)

    by chazard ( 1072442 )
    With their history of unfriendly DRM (think atrac3 and rootkit history) from Sony, I think I will steer far, far away from any DVR functionality that would likely cost me a few hundred dollars to use the existing harddrive in a P3S.
    Mind you the idea of running Myth on it could be pretty cool.
  • by spectecjr ( 31235 ) on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @07:42PM (#20079353) Homepage
    The future of the PS3 itself seems to have changes coming too: a television tuner and DVR functionality looks to be in the offing for the console. Microsoft announced similar plans earlier this year, but there are no firm dates for either company's use of the console

    Microsoft's one doesn't look like a DVR - but is instead IPTV [wikipedia.org] - it remains to be seen what recording features it will have, but presumably it can work in the background over the network the way that Live downloads work now; as it's multicast, there's probably enough bandwidth for it to come in over your regular network connection without really affecting your transfer rates for other data. Sony's looks like it plans to use an over the air tuner, and even weirder, looks like it's set to be used for Freeview [wikipedia.org] (there's also a NZ equivalent).

  • But I'll wait till I can see clearly theres no DRM problems.
    And then I'll wait for a price drop.
    And then I'll wait to see if Blu-ray becomes dominant/affordable.
    And then I'll wait for some really good games to come out. ...And then I'll get a PS4 ;)
    • by Faylone ( 880739 )
      Now, the PS4 may be going to be the best console that ever has been or ever will be made ever, but you're assuming it's not going to be even worse than than the PS3 is.
    • Have fun waiting, as PS4 is due in 8-10 years time.

      I think you are confusing Xbox release cycles with PS3 release cycles.

      Here is a cut out and keep easy reminder.

      Historic Console Lifespan:

      Xbox 3-4 years
      Playstation 7 - 10 years
      Nintendo 5 - 6 years
  • I'm sure the guys behind .kkrieger are happy they went with BluRay... []
  • This seems to me like Sony scrambling to offer SOME feature that will move these things off the store shelves. What next? A toaster and removable HDD MP3 player?

    Games, guys, games. That's what this thing is made to do. And right now, nearly a year after launch, the titles are the same old crap. And crap available already on other platforms too.

... though his invention worked superbly -- his theory was a crock of sewage from beginning to end. -- Vernor Vinge, "The Peace War"