Japanese Airlines Ban DS, PSP 145
Gamespot is reporting that Japanese Airlines such as Japan Airlines and ANA have banned the use of wifi-capable game devices, including the DS and PSP, over 'safety concerns'. From the article: "A law banning on gaming systems with wireless capabilities came into force on Monday, according to the Hollywood Reporter. Japan's transport ministry has concluded that the electromagnetic waves from the wireless networks can interfere with aircraft navigation systems, so it's no Nintendogs for passengers flying with Japanese airlines. The new law also bans wireless computer mice, and headphones that have not been provided by the airlines, although the use of electric razors, calculators, and cassette players is permitted, readers may be relieved to know."
Here's your cue, Microsoft! (Score:2, Funny)
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No so bad if you're Gary Glitter...
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the real reason (Score:1, Funny)
Fleecing? (Score:2)
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However, their 5 dollar sandwiches and 2 dollar bottles of water are a wee bit too much.
Grump
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Many airlines (such as United) charge you $4 or so for the "movie" and either give you the headphones or allow you to use your own. Not being allowed to use your own would really suck.
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Headphones? (Score:3, Interesting)
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well, (Score:2)
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That idea can get pretty silly. For instance Peanut butter can kill people with severe allergies, ought we ban all peanut butter in public places? Bee stings can kill certian people, ought we ban bees? A CD could presumably kill someone in exactly the right circumstance ought we ban CD's? A Scarf could kill someone too (and have killed many children), it's only a small inconvenience to go without one so ought we ban scarves?
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Or we can just let evolution take its course. Really, if your are defeated by a legume...
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No, let's not say that. First, let's see if there's any evidence at all to back up claims of such hypersensitivity, because without some I simply cannot believe that anyone could suffer any reaction at all from being near me as I eat peanut butter. If it were true, then those people would have to refrain from going
evidence (Score:2, Insightful)
also google "fatal peanut allergy"
The danger is not with adults that can take care of themselves, but children that aren't 100% concious of the fatal or near fatal condition every minute of every day.
The REAL story (Score:2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Desforges [wikipedia.org]
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Re:well, (Score:5, Informative)
Myth. Peanut allergies can be severe, but never that severe. If you were in a peanut processing facility, or the person a few seats over was smashing hundreds of peanuts into peanut butter, maybe. Just eating peanuts is going to produce an infinitesimally small amount of dust. The likelihood of inhaling even a single particle of dust in that scenario approaches zero, and is not far from the likelihood of inhaling a piece of peanut dust that was picked up on the wind from a chinese peanut factory and blown around the world and directly into your mouth. They are both statistically implausible. And even if it were to happen, a single piece of peanut dust is not enough, in any recorded case of peanut allergy, to cause even a noticeable reaction.
Enough peanut allergens can actually be transferred through saliva (kissing) to cause a mild reaction in the severely allergic but even that is very infrequent, and I can't find a single case of death as a result (No, the death of the Quebec girl had nothing to do with her peanut allergy, contrary to the media reports, it was a cigarette-induced asthma attack)
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I was nauseated by most of the smells that could be found in my high school cafeteria.
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Or it could simply be the taste system (of which the olfactory sense is a part of) is doing the job it's supposed to do, by making him avoid something which is deadly for him. A bit like most people learn to avoid putting their hands on hot stoves.
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When my friend (now in his 20's) had his first reaction, his family had to take him to the hospital to bring it under control (yes, I've talked with them). Since discovering the source, he has had a very few accidental ingestions of peanut products (usually in a restaurant where the waiter didn't know that something had peanut products when asked) and had severe reactions each time. (By the way, according to him, peanut oil and products fri
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Indeed: there must be some mighty fine upside for such a dangerous condition if it still persiss in the gene pool. I wonder if allergic people have stronger immune systems in general - after all, allergy is caused by an overly strong immunal reaction ? Perhaps allergic people are the ones best able to resist illness and therefore help ensure that the human race and society survives epidemics, such as the
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Some people have peanut allergies so severe that even talking in a language that has a word for peanut is potentially fatal.
Some people have peanut allergies so severe that even the existence of the idea of something that may be vaguely peanut-shaped is potentially fatal.
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Yeah. If airplane instruments are so pathetically fragile that a signal from battery-powered cell phone or Wi-Fi can cause them to fail, better take the train or boat.
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The difference being, is the bodies that have to oversee air travel are required to be very conservative. They have to have strong evidence that "nothing will happen", as opposed to "no evidence that something might happen".
There are so many different kinds of planes
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In all the testing, nothing has been pinpointed. Interference concerns are why there is a ban on certain devices (most notable are RF emitters).
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You try spending an overseas flight without a PSP and then tell me it's a minor inconvenience. I generally can't sleep on planes, I can't read for more than 8 hours streight which is usually only half the flight. I'll go crazy without something to keep my mind occupied. My PSP has been a saving grace while flying and long flights are the only reason I bought extra batteries for it.
Try a Gameboy SP. No, it's not as pretty as a PSP, but it has a lot of great games, and the batteries will last the whole trip.
Question for those who fly more then me.... (Score:1)
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The whole thing feels pretty silly to me, considering how much it costs to build an airplane you think they'd tack on an extra $15 worth of a faraday cage around important devices. For that matter, if it's really such a serious issue should the only thing stopping a ZOMG TERR'IST from taking down the plane with his noisy wireless interfering headphones be some small warning from the pilot before takeoff?
Hint: they ar
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Umm... (Score:1)
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This article is kinda funny... http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/09/25/memphis.air.snafu/ [cnn.com]
Modders to the Rescue! (Score:3, Funny)
Now, we being the ingenious lil monkies we are, can easily take a single black wire and electric tape it to the inside of the headphone and then to the device. It doesn't have to be molded or connected in any way shape or form to something useful, just a nice thick attachable cable that stewardess can see and identify and pass on by.
Stewardess: Excuse me papa san, you can't use that headph
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The real reason is that when you are in the air, they will try and contact - at their maximum power because of the distances involved - the multiple cell network stations the plane passes as it flies at a high speed. This screws with the switching system.
So it's in the interest of the user to turn it off to preserve both battery power and their genetic material
Screw You Japanese Airlines (Score:2, Funny)
Ob. (Score:5, Funny)
Change of heart? (Score:1)
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Not sure about that, but I just had a stopover in Tokyo a couple days ago and it seemed like half the Japanese people in line for the plane were playing with a DS. It wasn't a JAL flight, but I figure their passengers are probably about the same. I think there's gonna be some real grumbling about this regulation, if not outright protest.
Inconsistency (Score:1)
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Seriously the entire issue has always smelt of ass.
How enforcable is this ban? (Score:4, Insightful)
But this does make the environmentalist in me happy, maybe more people will take the train vs. a plane for domestic travel, and having lived in Europe, the US and Japan, I can say that the Japanese is by far the best. Though one thing I still cannot understand in both Europe and Japan is why are plane tickets more often than not cheaper than train tickets?
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I'll tell you, though, the wireless ban is BULL if it's for safety. I mean really, if they were at all unsure about how "safe" consumer wireless devices are, they wouldn't even let you take th
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But this does make the environmentalist in me happy, maybe more people will take the train vs. a plane for domestic travel
It seems they are:
"Airplanes are getting stuck in lots of traffic jams this summer, but Amtrak is on a roll. Ridership on the passenger rail system is up 6% so far this year, the biggest jump since the late 1970s. On the Acela Express, trains that run at higher speeds between Washington, New York and Boston, the number of riders has surged 20% over the past 10 months. That's enough new passengers to fill 2,000 Boeing 757 jets,"
--Dan Machalaba, Wall St Journal August 23, as quoted from http://www.nation [nationalcorridors.org]
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Not sure if this is true for anywhere else, but here in Germany fuel and energy is heavily taxed, which factors into the train ticket prices. Airplanes, however, are excempt. We pay about EUR 0.60 per liter of gas, the airlines pay EUR 0.00 per liter of kerosene. Compared to driving in a car, railway travel is somewhat competitive.
That's not the only reason, but it's on
Intentional Transmitters (Score:3, Interesting)
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Put the GPS antenna outside of the metal airframe.
RF gaskets on the doors and metallized glass windows and no RF gets out of the interior.
If aircraft systems are so sensitive that consumer FCC certified gear can take them down,
then why hasn't anyone with bad intent brought up a 100W wideband noise source and
glitched out the ILS or nav gear?
Because maybe it cant be done?
Any aircraft certified system is going to have strict requirements for out of band filtering.
The antennas are placed on the
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Good thing I'm not flying to Japan (Score:1)
Inconsistent regulation (Score:3, Insightful)
They should ban transmission of RF - so your laptop/cellphone is fine as long as you turn off the radio part. I'm not sure if the DS or PSP can disable it's wireless capability but if it can - then you should be able to play games while on board, just not interact with other users.
Amazing how people in government/management are all technically inept, isn't it?
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The psp can - it has a switch on the left hand side - or if its the new one its on the top.
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Thought if it DOES interfer with stuff in the plane I wouldn't want to trust people to not accidently turn it on or whatever. But then I don't understand why laptops are allowed, because what happens if someone had forgot to turn their wlan of? Same for mp3players, cameras and whatever.
What happened yesterday? (Score:2)
Call me nutty, but, wouldn't it just make more sense to shield the instruments better? I mean, EM radiation and potential jamming isn't just something that exists only on the inside of the cabin.
Why the PSP? (Score:3, Informative)
There isn't a switch in the DS, but it's not on unless you use a game that turns it on.
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If they're banning these, where it requires explicit user actions to kick off the wireless, then you need to ban computers as well.
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Granted, it will also blink when the lid is closed on standby, but I think the blink pattern is different.
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It's so simple (Score:2)
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But I'm sure if they allowed phones on the planes, more people would be killed by air rage, than by plane crashes.
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