Study Finds Video Games Are Not Bad for Kids 220
mcgrew writes with news that a study done by the Pew Internet & American Life Project has found game playing is all but universal among teens, and it provides a "significant amount of social interaction and potential for civic engagement." 97% of teens responding to the survey said they played games (75% played weekly or more often), and roughly two-thirds of teens use games as a social experience. The full report (PDF) and the questionnaire with answer data (PDF) are both available for viewing. From the report: "Youth who take part in social interaction related to the game, such as commenting on websites or contributing to discussion boards, are more engaged civically and politically. Youth who play games where they are part of guilds are not more civically engaged than youth who play games alone."
Based on their results (Score:5, Funny)
Shouldn't they be called Pew-Pew Internet and American Life? :P
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Or maybe P(e)wned 1N73RN3...
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How dare this so-called study attempt to disparage the truthiness of teens being violent because of video games!
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Video games don't influence young people.
Otherwise we'd all be listening to repetetive electronic music and eating pills all day ; )
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listening to repetetive electronic music and eating pills all day ; )
You got something wrong with that, flying lizard-monkey?
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> IMO, video games *are* bad for kids.
Reading the rest of your post it seems to me that you think the video games are not actually bad for kids, they are just not as good a way to spend your time compared other activities. If that is what you are trying to say, you really shouldn't say games are bad, that would be like saying that playing footbal is bad for kids because they could be spending that time reading and learning, and that reading stuff like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is bad for child
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>Reading the rest of your post it seems to me that you think the video games are not actually bad for kids, they are just not as good a way to spend your time compared other activities. If that is what you are trying to say, you really shouldn't say games are bad, that would be like saying that playing footbal is bad for kids because they could be spending that time reading and learning, and that reading stuff like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is bad for children because they could have been read
Deterioration of language skills (Score:2, Funny)
Commenting on website boards? Well, it certainly doesn't help their grammar, if YouTube comment sections are any indication.
Re:Deterioration of language skills (Score:5, Insightful)
It's all about where they do the posting. I started posting on Slashdot many years ago when I was a teenager, as revealed by my handle. This website has shaped and developed my ability for written communication by providing both good and bad examples, and by providing me with feedback on the things I say.
Youtube is different; posting there is like throwing your words away. Discussion does not take place; people throw the words out and then turn their back on them. Here, people come back and see if their comments have scored well. In so doing, they notice replies and reenter the discussion that they had participated in earlier in the day.
Well, that's how it's worked for me.
Obviously, there's plenty of terrible comments here, but overall this is easily among the best forums on the internet.
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Re:Deterioration of language skills (Score:5, Funny)
Slashdot's trolls are better written than the admin's posts on other forums.
You are cordially invited to view the following website, known as goatse [goatse.cx] for your distinct viewing pleasure. Please enjoy yourself, monsieur.
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Damn it. I laughed at a goatse post. I think this might make me a bad person.
Either that or it's still too early in the morning.
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Exactly. Compared to most forums I've been to, Slashdot's trolls are better written than the admin's posts on other forums.
...or the admin's story summaries on this forum, for that matter.
Re:Deterioration of language skills (Score:5, Funny)
your faverite band sux n u r a gay!!!!11!!
Re:Deterioration of language skills (Score:5, Insightful)
You used the correct you{r|'re}, proving Darkness404's point.
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You used the correct you{r|'re}, proving Darkness404's point.
Yes, but he should've said "there're plenty of terrible comments", not "there's ...". Sigh.
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Well, that's how it's worked for me.
Well, that's the way it's worked for most people here on /. because peer review will always be better than a moderated forum.
/. is perfect. It's communal shunning of MMOs, and video games in general, diminishes the title "News for nerds. Stuff that matters" in my opinion. But that's off topic, and a conversation for a different time.
Not that
To be on topic, and as it were "pertinent" to the subject, being a part of any community makes people want to be a productive part of society. Being in a guild, or
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Well, that's the way it's worked for most people here on /. because peer review will always be better than a moderated forum.
Peer review? Does this mean I have no peers if I don't wear a tinfoil hat?
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I started posting on Slashdot many years ago when I was a teenager, as revealed by my handle.
You started posting on slashdot in 1977? Impressive!
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I know that was a joke, but in case someone missed the point here, my handle is juvenile. I was not alive in 1977.
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Frickin' kids. Get off my lawn.
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Indeed, the slashdot.org/~username page is probably one of the most significant elements of Slashdot's success, for the reasons you've stated. On smaller forums you tend to discuss a specific topic not a piece of news so you'll naturally go back frequently; it's also a lot easier to find the thing again simply due to the size of most forums. On Digg, the discussions (at least in my experience) are read once, leave a couple comments, and never come back; the quality of the dicussions is reflective of this
Re:Deterioration of language skills (Score:5, Funny)
Indeed, the slashdot.org/~username page is probably one of the most significant elements of Slashdot's success, for the reasons you've stated.
Man, that guy hasn't made a post since October 21 2000 [slashdot.org]. I really doubt that is one of the most significant elements of Slashdot's success.
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I'm in the same boat.
It's very useful, because if you ever do something "wrong" it'll get pointed out and you'll be all the smarter. You follow back, and check see if people find what you said interesting or stupid, you eventually pick up a whole bunch of terms, too...
Ask me three years ago what linux was I'd give you a o_O, now I understand a lot of the way it works... I know what a SoC is, I know about architectures, I know about frameworks, what's "the dream machine" for various situations, and know what
The Standard Statistical Fallacy (Score:5, Informative)
This "study" is about as worthless as they get. They ask a bunch of questions to both parents and teens and attempt to create a correlation to the questions they stuck in there. The parents are asked about their community involvement, and knowledge of current events. Teens are asked if they think communication is a good thing (paraphrased).
There's three numbers of any interest to me: ~70% of teens have high speed Internet at home. ~60% of them use the Internet daily. Finally, ~60% of parents think that their teen's gaming has no positive or negative effect on them.Overall, the study certainly doesn't make any quantifiable findings about the effect of video games on kids.
It does, however, show that kids today have a lot better access to the Internet than 10 years ago (surprise!) and that many of them use it on a regular basis (again, surprise!). I'd say that this study shows a stronger correlation between using the Internet regularly and civic involvement than anything to do with video games. In the end, however, it's still just correlation.
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>This "study" is about as worthless as they get.
When are they doing a study on the impact of games on us old farts?
>60% of parents think that their teen's gaming has no positive or negative effect on them.
The olde 'my kid's a genius' seems to work still.
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The same old rule applies (Score:4, Insightful)
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Yeah, I tried that. My wife modded all our sexy time as (-1, overrated).
So I modded her (-1, troll)...
Didn't work out so well, I'm sleeping in the garage nowadays.
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Though I know it may be tempting, resist the call of the "professional" lest every urination become (-1, Flamebait).
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Moderation in everything you do. I believe these words of wisdom are mentioned in the Psalms as well.
Actually, it was Aristotle or Andria Terence who first came up with this idea, and it was paraphrased two hundred years later in the New Testament. (I point this out only to help religious people understand that there is wisdom outside of their holy books.)
http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/sayings.html#moderation [blueletterbible.org]
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/24302.html [quotationspage.com]
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Best quote from the Bible is "take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry." Somewhere in Luke as I recall but I followed the letter of the Bible and my memory is quite fuzzy.
Not enough margin (Score:2)
So tired of this debate... (Score:5, Insightful)
Every study hides and undisputable fact of life:
"People (and groups) are self-interested first and foremost."
Games aren't a public service -- there is a profit motive behind them whether or not they're bad for children. Likewise, studies that claim the opposite (in lieu of other child-vices) have the same root -- a profit motive.
Here is a study I'd like to see:
1. Which is better for children: Throwing rocks at my neighbor's window or playing GTA?
2. Which is better for children: Attending a public school or playing Age of Conan.
At the end of the day, I'm the parent and I'll decide what's good or bad for my children -- I don't need some pointy-head-pencil-pusher to feed me agenda-ized information.
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Right, from baseball mitt manufacturers, I presume. Only they would be evil enough to try to maintain, through smear tactics, their old monopoly on fun.
I agree with the study overall, however, (Score:5, Insightful)
overly aggressive video games like manhunt and GTAx can be very bad for children who have not developed proper conflict resolution skills.
I certainly don't agree with banning games like that since they provide many hours of enjoyment to me.
I will not let my son play them until he's mature enough to demonstrate the ability to choose something other than aggression.
I do support game ratings and I wish retailers would enforce them. I don't agree with government regulation of games or movies. That would be censorship.
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I do support game ratings and I wish retailers would enforce them. I don't agree with government regulation of games or movies. That would be censorship.
So you are ok with censorship so long as it isn't the government censoring content?
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Absolutely yes.
Do you really want *extremely* impressionable young minds exposed to hard-core pornography and gratuitous violence? Do you have *any* idea how the human mind develops?
And before you say parents should take the responsibility to monitor what their kids watch, that would also be censorship, wouldn't it?
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Absolutely yes. Do you really want *extremely* impressionable young minds exposed to hard-core pornography and gratuitous violence? Do you have *any* idea how the human mind develops?
Harmful for children soon becomes harmful to the state. Have you noticed how censorship works? It rarely starts with the banning of free speech, it always, always starts with what is harmful for young minds.
And before you say parents should take the responsibility to monitor what their kids watch, that would also be censorship, wouldn't it?
No, because it is simply voluntarily choosing not to do something as the law gives minors very, very, very few rights.
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Brilliant! I *censor* my children's games, television, etc... I don't even give them unfettered access to the internet.
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How do you know?
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I've studied the research available on violent media exposure.
It proves definitive links between exposure to violence in media at certain age groups can lead to an increase in aggressive behavior instead of normal conflict resolution.
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Yet violent crime is at an extreme low and violent media is at an extreme high?? where do you get the link showing the opposite from?
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So-called "educational" games. (Score:5, Insightful)
I've never been a huge fan "educational" games. I do think there are some good titles, but I think that the majority of educational games fail because they think that the emphasis is on being "educational". The underlying game has to be fun or the kid will throw it aside.
That said, I think that *all* games are educational. When my daughter was three she picked up my wife's Animal Crossing game and fell in love with it. I sat down and played with her and read all dialogue. Eventually I had to read to her less and less as she was increasingly able to recognize words. Today she's five and reads at a 3rd-grade level. Obviously it's not solely due to games like Animal Crossing, but I think it certainly helped.
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Top marks for good fatherhood. Let me recant a story.
Ok, i was born a bit early for computer games but I can see the effect and congratulations are in order. I read war and peace at the age of 9, but the school still made me read johnny appleseed because I was supposed to. I hate that book.
However I didn't really fall in love with books until I real frederich pohl and stephen baxter.
I am a librarian now, and work in the field of human/computer interaction
If I never was shown the right book way back in 1997
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Librarians are the keepers of knowledge and should be more highly respected and given the accolades we give to football players.
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I think we give accolades to professional athletes because whenever one of them turns out not to be a total asshole, it comes as a surprise to everyone.
When a librarian turns out to be a decent person, it's business as usual.
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No problem (Score:2)
And next week... (Score:5, Insightful)
... a study will find that Video Games *Are* Bad for Kids.
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Actually, a study will show that parents who base their parenting habits off all these "studies" are bad for children. Including this study.
So wait... (Score:2)
So wait, Jack Thompson was wrong?
I am shocked, just simply shocked at this news.
the art of the gank? (Score:4, Funny)
For instance, you can play a mayor in âoeSimCity,â and get a close-up look at what it takes to build and maintain a community. Helping a newbie get his sea legs in a game simulates the real-world experience of volunteering.
So what does mercilessly ganking a low-level player in Thousand Needles simulate?
But seriously, did they check how social these kids were before playing the games? Just because someone is being more civic in their gameplay doesn't mean that they got that way from playing games, they could've been that way in the first place.
Hrm, I say shitcock to that (Score:2)
significant amount of social interaction and potential for civic engagement.
Keyword potential. In the wise words of penny arcade: SHITCOCK!
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/ [penny-arcade.com]
Screw this study (Score:2)
Ban everyone under the age of 18 from playing online. That way, I can finally play online without some prepubescent screaming in my ear about how much of a n00b I am for not playing 16 hours a day.
I mean... err... so the kids won't get exposed to violence and sex and become criminals...
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Wait a minute... (Score:2)
Our nation is doomed.
I'm the parent, and I'll decide... (Score:2)
You got that right. I think Roblox has helped my son (poor social skills, just like me) learn a little bit about conflict resolution. It's almost funny to watch: the first thing any of them do to anyone else new is frag them. Then comes the "you @#$#@ n00b" phase. After awhile they realize there's no winning, so they find some common ground, make up, and invite each other to be friends.
Dealing with my workplace IT staff is just like this, BTW: the first time I deal with someone I don't already know, I get t
Study defines kids as ... (Score:2)
Yeah and this applies to board games too (Score:4, Funny)
because as you know both Bill Gates and Donald Trump used to play Monopoly [uncyclopedia.org] a lot, and it taught them how to do business.
George W. Bush used to play a lot of Risk, Advanced Squad Leader, and Stratego games to help him figure out his foreign policies.
Linus Torvalds used to play a lot of Life and Scrabble which taught him sharing and unscrambling things to make them into something useful like Open Source Software.
Steve Jobs played Candy Land and Go, and got ideas from them how to make the Macintosh with eye candy and making it easy to use like Candy Land but complex like Go.
Studies show anything (Score:4, Insightful)
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But the last study said salt was bad for you...
Oh really? I know 100 million people who could... (Score:2)
... say the same thing.
Don't we have enough adults now who grew up playing videogames, that could tell you that it was an enjoyable activity and that's it?
As in everything, it's bad without moderation (re: 18 hour play sessions on WoW), but really, this debate is as ridiculous as they get.
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Yes, but children do a funny thing...they grow up. It's better to get them engaged at ANY age so that when they're 18, they have a better chance of having better formed opinions than their peers. Bonus points if you can get them interested before the teen years and raging hormones REALLY set in.
Not meaning to troll, but this aversion to politics and world-affairs as "stress inducers" seems to be uniquely American. Elsewhere, children are subjected to things called "Geography" and "Civics" from very early on.
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Nowhere else in the world is politics so uniquely American.
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Not meaning to troll, but this aversion to politics and world-affairs as "stress inducers" seems to be uniquely American
Seems plausible to me that politics and world affairs are more stressful to americans because we feel responsible. "Oh crap, what has my country gone and done now?"
As an american, the answer is usually "I really don't want to know, it will only raise my blood pressure, I can only vote so many times each election."
If I were german, the answer might be "Well, probably nothing too bad compared to... you know..."
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Well then perhaps it's a good thing that you're feeling a little stressed -- if not for anything other than the fact that the repercussions of meddling (not mediating) in international politics are almost certainly going to be (and have been) felt in America. It's an unfortunate situation caused by rampant myopia, which reinforces the fact that educating kids about politics and the world is a G
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Well then perhaps it's a good thing that you're feeling a little stressed -- if not for anything other than the fact that the repercussions of meddling (not mediating) in international politics are almost certainly going to be (and have been) felt in America.
OOOH, I SEE! Thank you so much for pointing that out! I never would have recognized that on my own!
Hey by the way, Mr.Preacher man, what's this sign I have around my neck? "Choir?" What's that mean????
Could you educate me a little more on things I already clearly know? Or maybe I should start playing that game myself...
It's an unfortunate situation caused by rampant myopia, which reinforces the fact that educating kids about politics and the world is a Good Thing.
Well you know, caffinemessiah, I think america has done some meddling in the world, and it has created an unfortunate situation. America is going to be feeling the reprecussions from it
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As an american, the answer is usually "I really don't want to know, it will only raise my blood pressure, I can only vote so many times each election."
But if your district is using Diebold machines, this can be several thousand times in each election...
Re:political interests?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe I'm just old, but when I was a kid, we left grown up matters like politics to the adults.
Well, that explains the ignorance of the modern voter. I kid... Mostly...
Re:political interests?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Whereas the average adult has control over politics...
Nope, didn't think so.
Whether or not a person can vote is frankly irrelevant to the issue.
In general: Knowledge is Power. Kids will grow up and later be able to vote, and are directly affected by various issues under the control of politicians.
I am frankly surprised that anybody is worried that kids are taking interest in their surrounding environment and it's social mechanisms, I personally am more concerned about kids *not* taking an interest in politics, but then again I'm from the UK and currently living in France, where things are done differently to the US (which I assume is where you're referring to).
Children are not illiterate and incompetent sheep up until the age of majority, whereupon they suddenly become intelligent voters who know all about politics.
Worrying about things which you have no control of is often justified if those things have significant and pervasive control over you.
Although the leap from "interested in" to "worried about" is somewhat tenuous IMO.
Given the current political climate and pre-election/leadership issues publicity in many parts of the world including the US and the UK, a child would inevitably be exposed to significant quantities of information on the subject (in a easily digestible and hype-enhanced format most likely, too).
Disclaimer: I am 18 and about to commence university studies in the UK.
Knowledge is knowledge, not power (Score:3, Insightful)
Money is power. With money you can "lobby" the politicians for anything you want.
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Yes. Because adults are so much better at decision making. (sarcasm should be dripping off your screen by now)
Quite frankly, my experience is that people who were idiots in middle-school still were idiots in middle-age. They even had the same attitudes. This means that age has little to do with whether you're worth listening to. And any attempt to deride someone's interest based on their age is merely an attempt by someone older to keep the competition out.
Not to mention that it is only beneficial to develop and study interests early rather than late.
I'm not sure where you got this idea from, but I find it highly disturbing.
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Yes. Because decision-making skills disintegrate rapidly after birth.
Re:political interests?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Umm.. how exactly is kids being interested in politics a good thing?
Because we can't expect kids to suddenly pick up a full set of political knowledge and opinions on their 18th birthdays. If they start being interested sooner, they'll be better prepared when they're finally able to vote, and we'll hopefully see higher turnout among young adults.
It's the same reason that kids who start drinking at a younger age, with their parents' supervision, end up with healthier attitudes toward alcohol. The ones who have no experience with alcohol before turning 21 (or moving out of the house) are the ones who turn into binge drinkers as soon as they have the chance.
Being that children can't vote, and no-one cares about their political opinions,
It's unfortunate that no one cares about their political opinions, because minors are certainly affected by political decisions. Recall that one of the reasons the USA split away from Britain was that it was being affected by decisions it had no power over ("no taxation without representation").
Still, for the health of our democracy, we should encourage kids to think about political issues before they start voting. That way, when the time comes, they'll be more likely to make a decision based on substance instead of treating it like American Idol.
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It's the same reason that kids who start drinking at a younger age, with their parents' supervision, end up with healthier attitudes toward alcohol. The ones who have no experience with alcohol before turning 21 (or moving out of the house) are the ones who turn into binge drinkers as soon as they have the chance.
Some of us don't drink and have no intentions to do so even if we "grow up" you insensitive clod. =/
However, point taken. Exposure now means understanding for later, for pretty much everything.
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I kid but, well, only a little...
What he's saying is that those who aren't exposed to political awareness/functions/effect turn 18 and vote Republican.
Side note: I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican (I personally believe that they're the same party other than rhetoric) but I did vote for a Republican once. I voted for Olympia Snowe as she has typically done good things for her constituents.
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Jeezus. With an attitude like that, I hope you also choose to leave "grown up matters like politics" to others. The last thing this country's (or any's) politics needs is more people who didn't bother to contrive a political awareness until they were 18.
And who are you to assert no one cares about children's opinions, political or otherwise, asshole?
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Umm.. how exactly is kids being interested in politics a good thing?
Maybe I'm just old, but when I was a kid, we left grown up matters like politics to the adults. Being that children can't vote, and no-one cares about their political opinions, doesn't this survey say that they're basically worried about things they have no control over? Isn't that the definition of stress?
Wow. So you want kids to remain ignorant until they can vote. Yeah, that sounds like a great idea!
Ignoring just how stupid that point of view is, it's still not stupid to be interested in things you can't influence. I'm English and as such can't vote in the US. That doesn't mean I'm not going to be interested in who wins the next US election. What with one-sided extradition treaties, US torture flights flying through London and your military refusing to cooperate when your pilots kill our soldiers in Iraq (
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And our politicians are still acting like children, so we can see how well that mentality worked out.
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so until you turned 18 you never read the news or took any interest in current affairs? no wonder our democracy is in such sad state.
politics covers social issues that affect us all, regardless of one's age. it isn't just an abstract academic exercise to be left to professional politicians. public policy affects our daily lives and touches on issues of morality and justice--concepts which don't just suddenly become relevant only once you're eligible to vote.
personally, i've never considered being politicall
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Exactly. Shouldn't we be teaching kids to avoid conflict, rather than create it? To seek peaceful solutions, and not rely on coercion?
Then point them to the Libertarian Party. Ignorance and disinterest in just how your government is screwing everyone, and what they should be up to, isn't the way.
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My kids have gone with me to vote most every year since they were born. They even go into the booth with me. Even though they no longer live with me, they live with their mother, I still go pick 'em up and take them voting.
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Shouldn't we be teaching kids to avoid conflict, rather than create it? To seek peaceful solutions, and not rely on coercion?
And be taken advantage of by every kid that didn't get this pacifistic brain washing.
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In general, peaceful solutions only work if the other side is willing to be peaceful.
Still, peaceful solutions are the best, so try those first, but always have a non-peaceful backup plan handy for when they don't work.
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I assume American
Why does everyone assume this? Do I sound like an American?
I've had people say they assume I'm an American in response to posts where I've spelt words "behaviour" and "colour" and "learnt" and "spelt" and rather than infer that I might not be an American, they assume I must be a young American.
The vast majority of people on this planet are not Americans (let alone seppos). There's less than 300 million of ya. Stop assuming everyone is one of you.
Oh, and if you really must know, I'm an Australian.
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Repetitive strain injuries (RSI, OOS whatever you want to call it) and obesity are not mentioned.
Could it be that a lot of people simply don't eat and play video games all the time? Honestly, very few hardcore gamers are fat because they don't want the orange powder from Cheetos to be on their keyboard/controller. Also RSI isn't a huge deal with kids because they heal fast and most of the time have very short attention spans. One moment they will want to play Final Fantasy X all day, the next they want to bake cookies. Go figure.
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What I do know is that my children have the attention span to be able to play video games almost all day if you let them, and that they can get sore wrists in a matter of a few hours.
Like a lot of /.ers I am on the computer constantly, on laptops too. And usually for recreation I play video games, and I can say that I never had a sore wrist from playing games and or typing. My eyes occasionally hurt but other than that there have been little ill effects. And I have been playing video games since I was a child back in the days of the monochrome Game Boys, the NES and SNES, and never had a sore wrist nor any other symptoms save for some eye strain.
I agree that children recover from such injuries far quicker, but I don't know if anyone has considered the long term exposure to such injuries for later life.
Since the 2600 came out in the late '
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If you scroll through some of my older posts, hell my newer ones as well, you will see that I too often post on /. while drinking heavily. I think it is high time we stop it before we offend the masses. Don't MAKE me go on a long tirade that takes us so far off topic that there's no hope for return. I'll do it you know... Oh I will.
Anyhow... Drunk slashdotting != wit... I wake up in the morning and read some of the posts and all I can think of is, WTF?
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Wildly off topic but on the topic of the off topic post (which is not a GOOD THING®) but the PlayStation A-Train game was kick ass. Not really roads but, still. Just sayin'...