Sony PS5 Is 'Currently the Fastest Selling Hardware Platform' In US History, NPD Says (cnet.com) 47
On Friday, NPD Group analyst Mat Piscatella tweeted that the PS5 is currently the fastest selling hardware platform" in U.S. history, in terms of total dollar sales. CNET reports: Piscatella didn't share an exact dollar amount for the PS5 but noted that consumer spending across video game hardware, software and accessories has already totaled $9.3 billion this year. Sony didn't include specific sales figures in its earnings report last month, but the company did indicate it shipped 4.5 million PS5 consoles in 2020 alone. Chief Financial Officer Hiroki Totoki said at a February news conference that Sony is aiming to sell upward of 14.8 million units in the coming fiscal year, which begins this month.
The PS5 did fall to second place for the month of February, according to NPD. It was superseded only by the Nintendo Switch, which may have seen a sales boost on the heels of Super Mario 3D World -- Bowser's Fury, the latest Switch title, released last month.
The PS5 did fall to second place for the month of February, according to NPD. It was superseded only by the Nintendo Switch, which may have seen a sales boost on the heels of Super Mario 3D World -- Bowser's Fury, the latest Switch title, released last month.
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Doesn't it copy the files from your PS4 over the network? I though my son did that with the consoles wired and it was bound by the file system rather than the interconnect. Still took a while provided how fat saves and games are these days...
Why are you surprised USB3 port is USB3 speed? (Score:4, Insightful)
Doesn't matter what enclosure, what cables, which of the 3 ports. I get USB 3.0 speeds on a good day for reads and writes.
Wait a second, why are you thinking it would be any faster? All of the ports are USB 3.0 so why are you complaining they are giving you USB 3.0 speeds?
First off, the maximum speed your drive itself can deliver no matter what is 600MB/s. From pretty much any enclosure you are going to get a bit less than that, which seems like "USB 3.0 speeds" to me.
Also a lot of enclosures are kind of crap in terms of the controllers they use, get something like a Sabrent USB to SSD adaptor, it's not really an enclosure as just an easy way to plug in a drive. And, don't use the front A port which is slower (but it sounds like you tried all the ports).
What kinds of speeds were you actually seeing? What enclosures?
The advertised speeds seem to be real if you use equipment that can actually reach the advertised speeds.
Re: Why are you surprised USB3 port is USB3 speed? (Score:1)
The ports are sold as 10gb/s. That's theoretical wire speed 1250 MB/s. Having looked at a zillion benchmark sites for external USB enclosures, I see a LOT of people claiming 700-900 MB/s using the same or similar devices I have when hooked up to a PC or Mac.
But on PS5, the fastest write I've seen is 390 MB/s but usually lower. Best read is about 133 MB/s but I've seen under 50 MB/s read and 70 MB/s writes (and sometimes much lower). (I don't have a personal machine with modern ports and don't want to m
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Having looked at a zillion benchmark sites for external USB enclosures, I see a LOT of people claiming 700-900 MB/s using the same or similar devices I have when hooked up to a PC or Mac.
With an NVMe maybe, with a normal SATA SSD, no. I also have an evo 850 SSD, I have never seen speeds like that attached to my Mac, also no matter the enclosure or the cable... like I said the fastest that could even be theoretically is 600MBs (because of SATA), and usually it's going to be a fair bit lower.
Also P.S. USB 3.
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Besides he's already running much faster than a PS4's HDD over the USB port there is virtually no reason to copy them over to the system wasting SSD capacity that could be used for games that will actually take advantage of it.
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Meaning the speed is split between read and write, so if you are doing 100MB/s of writes, you only have around 200MB/s of bandwidth free for reads. Installers typically read and write at the same time to verify data... and there you have it. A maxed out USB port installing at 125MB/s especially if the drive enclousure you are using is SATA3... that's only good for 600MB/s and it is very likely that the installation is using a significant portion of tha
Re: Why are you surprised USB3 port is USB3 speed? (Score:1)
Oh as far an enclosures, I tried a shitty $20 SSK, a $45 Orinoco and a $75 MS12. No difference.
I tried with both the A-C and C-C cables each came with on all 3 enclosures (6 cables, all 3 ports, all 3 devices, yes I can get very OCD and was tilting at windmill for fun). I also bought a new A-C and C-C from Amazon Basics specifically listed as 10 gb/s cables just to be doubly sure my freebie with purchase cables weren't crap. And a 20 gb/s C-C "just to be sure".
No matter what combination of cables, ports,
Re: Why are you surprised USB3 port is USB3 speed? (Score:2)
Re: Why are you surprised USB3 port is USB3 speed (Score:1)
Evo 970 plus is nvme. Not sata. I've never owned an external sata anything. The front C port speeds are exactly the same as the rear A ports.
Seriously, I've spent at least 20 hours testing this thing plus countless hours researching and reading on the net. I am certain those ports are not providing 10 gb/s and sure as Hell not 20 in front.
Re: Why are you surprised USB3 port is USB3 spee (Score:2)
Is I'm reading your posts correctly, you're basically testing its ability to copy PS4 data using the built in functions? That's not a reliable way to measure as it's unlikely a straight offset read/write is all that's happening. There could be checksums, verifications, and all other sorts of things going on. Unless you're connecting an oscilloscope to the data lines or writing your own benchmarks that run on the device's bare metal, you've only verified that the built in copy functions are the same regardle
Maybe but is it only scalpers? (Score:3)
I canâ(TM)t find it for sale anywhere at any time, although I donâ(TM)t spend 24/7 checking inventory. Maybe bots are buying it online. Iâ(TM)m beginning to give up.
So I really wonder if all these sales are really to end users.
Not just scalpers, some real people. (Score:1)
So I really wonder if all these sales are really to end users.
There are Twitter accounts that help give alerts when PS5's come into stock, or better yet when they are about to come into stock... I just recently had a PS5 in my cart at Walmart, but decided to hold off a few more months.
So you can beat out bots, if you keep a watchful eye out for large scale releases of new consoles at the major retailers, if you make use of other tools to see which retailers have a PS5 in stock.
For sure a lot of sale
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For sure a lot of sales are going to scalpers
If people had a modicum of self control, they'd ignore the scalpers and wait until something was available in a store for a reasonable price. Instead, the "me first!" attitude is why scalpers are able to make money buying up these things and having people pay through the nose to get one.
It's only a gaming system, folks.
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Yeah, my son got a PS5 in December from walmart (I think). He was a bit obsessive for 2 weeks about it. But I am surprised to hear that people who really want them can't find them.
I think it is more a case of "it would be nice, let me check this week? Ah, still out"
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I would say, at this point they are easy to get if you are willing to wait for a larger drop - I think those happen a few times a month, spread out across various retailers.
Also a bit easier to find if you are willing to buy bundles from GameStop... I find those usually have a few things I don't want though.
Re: Not just scalpers, some real people. (Score:2)
Re: Maybe but is it only scalpers? (Score:2)
I suppose I'm a scalper then as I've been fortunate enough to get four of them with only one of them being sold on eBay for slightly more than I paid as none of my family members wanted the digital one and it didn't seem fair to sell it for $700 to those who can afford to flash, so it went to a guy who had almost gave up looking. But now that I've taken care of my family, I'm not taking up slots others are still fighting for. I will say that all four consoles came from four different retailers. Walmart, Bes
Impressively popular (Score:3)
I've been keeping a close eye on eBay prices since launch, since about a month or so after launch the disc version has held around $800... just recently I've seen them selling around $750, but I think that's because a large number just recently dropped at a few different retailers. That is an impressive price premium they've been able to command.
All that without a lot of new exclusives out for the platform... I'm still planning to wait for Horizon Zero Dawn to come out, by then it'll probably be easier to get and I can get a later model with some inevitable production kinks worked out. Ideally it would probably be better to wait at least a year to get a new generation console, but I figure six to eight months is pretty decent.
Not talking sales though (Score:1)
The only legitimate sales figures are those that count only the original sale of the console, not the markup applied by some scumbag running bots
Yeah I agree, but I'm more talking about an indicator of demand than the sales figures. There have been a lot of units on eBay and they have sold extremely well for many months now.
It does server to bolster the claim the sales have been pretty high.
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I know here you see the scalpers with outrageous prices, everybody laughs at them and shares were to get info on sales, and then you see more posts from them dropping prices. I dont think it's going as well for the scalpers as they thought it would.
Scalpers doing well... (Score:2)
I dont think it's going as well for the scalpers as they thought it would.
I only look at eBay Sold prices, it is has been going pretty well indeed for a long time for the scalpers of PS5... I'd say it will continue to be pretty heavily scalped until it goes under $150 above retail or so (where shipping and eBay fees start to make your margin questionable).
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I remember when the PS4 was launched, and it also claimed to be the fastest-selling console in history. It still took about 2 years before games started coming out in reasonable volume.
I'm not sure what it is about consoles having so few games in the early days. It's not like every new machine uses fully custom hardware like in the 80's, and all the popular game engines work one these machines on day one.
loss leaders? (Score:2)
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They are. Measuring relative console hardware sales by revenue is meaningless. Unit sales are all that matter, and the PS5 is hardly impressive in that category.
Figures. (Score:1)
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Yep, those rat bastards even banned my PSN ID because it happened to contain the sequence "psp", although relating to that name not at all. IIRC this was after they stopped producing the PSP so I don't know why they got so bitchy about a sequence not even being used in conflation with the expired mark.
NPD says (Score:2)
Who is NPD?
Nashville Police Department?
Newtown Police Department?
Re: NPD says (Score:2)
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Who is NPD?
National Purchase Diary Panel Inc. [wikipedia.org] is the 8th largest market research company in the world, founded in 1966, and tracking the video games industry since 1995.
Once upon a time... (Score:1)
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You can't buy a half decent graphics card for that PC today however. Crypto miners are grabbing everything they can by the container load. "Cheaper if you can get it, but you can't get it" is not a good selling point.
Re: Once upon a time... (Score:2)
You can't get a good GPU for your PC and you can't get a PS5. Maybe it's time to switch to board games?
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Just go outside and play sports. Cardio and fun!
I know, I know. This is heresy on slashdot.
"Total Dollar Amount" (Score:1)
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It's also not relevant. Console hardware isn't profitable early on (if ever), they serve only to drive software and service sales. Unit sales of consoles are far more important. How many people can you sell software and services to. And in that case, the Switch has been outselling the PS5 by around 2:1, despite being a five-year-old console. Sony's lucky that the Switch doesn't compete as directly with the PS5 as Microsoft's console does.
Look at the 6-month timeframe on this graph, which basically shows tha
Nope, not a platform. (Score:2)
The PS5 like other defective by design systems before it is not a platform at all. It's a jail to house a piddling selection of sony approved titles which can be used only by players who follow the arbitrary nonsense rules, and pay for the privilege of using their own system.
One might as well call a movie ticket a platform.
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Chip shortage? (Score:2)
Wait. Is this were all the chips are going, causing the global chip shortage?
WOw (Score:2)
Who is buying this? (Score:2)
I just don't get it. Why would you buy an overpriced system with no games when even the previous generation failed to deliver after 8 years?
Do mindless consumers just buy whatever is marketed at them?
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Do mindless consumers just buy whatever is marketed at them?
Do you really need an answer to that?
PS5 (Score:1)