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Computer Gaming PCs Try To Stack Up To Consoles 411

bippy writes "RedAssedBaboon has what I think is the first review of a computer to feature the much lauded DISCover technology. DISCover basically turns a computer into a gaming console, allowing you to drop a PC game into a system and play it immediately on your television. The site reviews a new DHS (Digital Home System) by Alienware which will feature the technology and is due out next month. The article ends with this interesting comment: 'It's high time that the computer stop lurking in the shadows of dusty computer desks in forgotten rarely-used bedrooms. If PC gaming is going to survive it's going to have to do so in the well-lit family rooms and dens of America right along side the GameCube, PS2 and Xbox -- and this looks like a great way to start.'" We previously discussed the DISCover 'Drop And Play' PC gaming system over on Slashdot Games.
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Computer Gaming PCs Try To Stack Up To Consoles

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  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) * on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:11PM (#9733966)
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    • by RTPMatt ( 468649 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:51PM (#9734193) Homepage
      It's high time that the computer stop lurking in the shadows of dusty computer desks in forgotten rarely-used bedrooms.

      Really now? that sounds like the perfect place to play doom 3 =)
      A well lit room will just not do for such a game...takes all the scare right out of it!

      • So, so true. Best gaming experience of my life was my one-sitting playthrough of System Shock 2 in a room lit only by the computer monitor and wearing a high-quality pair of headphones.

        I'm told that I whimpered in my sleep for about two weeks.

        We are the Many...
  • by LeahofRivendell ( 797671 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:11PM (#9733969) Journal
    ...To play multiplayer and not have to actually pause and text chat. I always get killed doing that.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:12PM (#9733971)
    Is that graphics can be much more crappy and still look okay. Ever hook a Playstion up to a computer monitor? Ack.
  • widescreen (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Bog Standard ( 743863 ) * on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:13PM (#9733977)
    Until my plasma TV does 1900x1200 or near enough. I will stick to the dark room. Thank you!
  • Price (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ward.deb ( 757075 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:15PM (#9733990)
    Its price is way to high...in my opinion. I'd rather build a pc myself (with ultra silent cooling etc.) than buying this expensive crap...
    • Re:Price (Score:5, Insightful)

      by prockcore ( 543967 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:22PM (#9734027)
      Its price is way to high...in my opinion.

      No kidding. $2000-$2700 Gaming PCs try to stack up to $100-$150 consoles?

      I wonder who is going to win.
      • Re:Price (Score:2, Interesting)

        by nFriedly ( 628261 )
        the price is high, and i always build new pcs myself (theres no fun in just-plug-iit-in-and-it-works, not that that happens to often). but still, I prefer pcs over consoles because of the hackability. im not talking about stealing passwords hacking, im talking about make something unreal [unrealtournament.com] hacking; modifying the games to make them more fun
        gameshark doesnt count.
    • Mod Down (Score:4, Insightful)

      by TubeSteak ( 669689 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:49PM (#9734183) Journal
      How does trash like this get moderated up? You didn't even form an argument. First off, there's more going on here than meets the eye. They're not using AIW so they've got an independant tuner & mpeg decoder (they should, I hope they're not going to do mpeg in software.) It's a small form factor, has a remote & to top it off, it comes with a slot loading DVD drive that does everything. +R(W), -R(W), and RAM.

      Nobody doubts that it can be done on your own, but it won't come out looking as good, you won't get 1 year of 24/7 tech support, you won't get replacement parts (that you can reinstall yourself w/o voiding the warranty) and last but not least AlienWare will send a tech to your door who knows the whole setup inside out.

      No twiddling Linux to get it working. No driver hassles. You're buying a top notch product, tech support and it's not priced excessively higher than a similarly equipped PC.

      • Re:Mod Down (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Rew190 ( 138940 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @07:23PM (#9734325)
        The BOTTOM LINE is that you pay over 2 grand to play computer games on an essentially ghetto-rigged system. Why not just buy a middle-of-the-road computer with a nice video card for half that much? Is it an argument that people don't play computer games because they want to sit in their living rooms on a sofa?

        I think consoles thrive on (comparatively) simple games that don't require too much futzing about. Simple controls, simple setup. Computer games tend to be much more control-hungry, with many games using an entire keyboard. I can't see myself sitting awkwardly with a keyboard on my lap while watching low-res TV (yes, HD, blah blah blah).

        Besides, most guys I know love console games because you can sit down with your buddies and blow the piss out of each other on one TV. There aren't too many PC games with this functionality.
        • Re:Mod Down (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Nurgled ( 63197 )

          All my PC-connected-to-TV is used for is emulating old consoles. I just have a couple of USB control pads and some nice emulators, some crappy software to provide an easy interface to it, and I can sit in my living room and play Super Mario Kart, Streets of Rage or one of many more games with my friends without having to have fifteen consoles all over the place.

          The PC isn't good enough to emulate an X-Box, Playstation2 or a Game Cube but it can handle basically everything before that. Most games since the

  • Uh... but... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by RedRocketRanger ( 729359 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:15PM (#9733993)
    My monitor is bigger than my TV...
    • Re:Uh... but... (Score:3, Interesting)

      by cfuse ( 657523 )
      My monitor is bigger than my TV...

      I too had a bigger monitor than my TV.

      I recently bought a big TV (because it was cheap) and I didn't use it at all until I hooked up a pc and started watching my divx, xvid, et al. A TV that obeys my will and shows only things I like to watch is a good TV.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:18PM (#9734001)
    Yes, I much prefer playing a computer game on a 30Hz 525x525 blurry display than on a 72Hz 1024x768 display. Anything that can make my $1500 screaming game PC behave more like a $200 console is a welcome change. (that was all sarcasm, by the way)
    • by BanzaiBill ( 567543 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:57PM (#9734219) Homepage
      Unless you happen to have a 50" Samsung DLP TV [samsungusa.com] with DVI inputs that runs at 1280x720. I've got a HLN507W which is a beautiful display. If I could just get a PC that's quiet enough for the living room without spending $2000, then I'd be set. Note: I'm not affiliated with Samsung, I just love this TV. It also virtually eliminates the glare from those "well lit living rooms".
  • Survival? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Spua7 ( 781257 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:21PM (#9734022)
    All I have to say is "Lan Party." Games consoles will never have people stringing Cat5 across living rooms to stuff 15 geeks itching to blast each other away.
    • Re:Survival? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Puff Daddy ( 678869 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:41PM (#9734146)
      Games consoles will never have people stringing Cat5 across living rooms to stuff 15 geeks itching to blast each other away.
      1. Have you ever heard of Halo?
      • And have you ever tried to drag a 28'' TV with you to a LAN? And tried to find room for 10 or more of those?

        Cabinets and monitors are a lot easier to handle and take up a lot less space than TVs.

        • by Kirby-meister ( 574952 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @07:03PM (#9734243)
          And have you ever tried to drag a 28'' TV with you to a LAN? And tried to find room for 10 or more of those?

          Yes. Anything to get my game on.

          You seriously underestimate the will of a console gamer. Go look in a dorm hall - you'll see people like us willing to find a couple TVs and take over a lounge for game time.

    • Re:Survival? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Kirby-meister ( 574952 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @07:15PM (#9734292)
      That's funny, I've been playing multiplayer games with only one monitor on my consoles for years now.

      From Super Bomberman to Golden Eye to Super Smash Brothers Melee. And I don't need CAT5 to tell my friend he's an idiot for kamikaze'ing just so he could take me out.

      People who bring up "LAN party" as a pro compared to console gaming do not realize that console gamers have their own advantages in that respect. All we need is one $300-or-less console, 2-or-more controllers (and many bring their own controllers), and one copy of a game to enjoy multiplayer goodness. It's much more social to be sitting next to your competitor than across from them.

      And Halo, as many have pointed out, offers that "LAN party" experience PC gamers seem to love. I can't see what's so good about it, though; Halo just doesn't do it for me. I'm not a fan of console FPS's.

      Console game parties are a blast, though. Take over a lounge or rent some space for a night or two and share all the different systems and games you own with others, talk about past, present, and future classics, partake in a few tournaments, and just have a fun time socializing with other gamers. They don't happen as frequently as LAN parties do, I guess, but they're still fun and if you can check one out (or set one up!).

      • How do I make mods of Bomberman, GoldenEye, or Super Smash Bros. Melee without violating the DMCA and without emigrating to a country that doesn't have the DMCA yet? Or let's put it another way: If Half-Life were a console game, then how could anybody have made Counter-Strike?

    • Agreed. The breathless "only way it can survive!" bullshit let me form my opinion in about as much time as it took to read it.

  • HD Recording a must (Score:5, Informative)

    by sid crimson ( 46823 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:21PM (#9734025)
    A friend just spent $5K plus on a "Dell Media Center" computer -- purchased all the extras (against my recommendataion).

    The 24" screen makes a lousy tv. The computer makes a lousy PVR -- because he cannot record HD like the cablebox allows. He cannot tune channels with the computer. And the remote requires lots of programming (very little in terms of autolearning or preprogrammed alt. system remotes).

    -sid
  • by hrbrmstr ( 324215 ) * on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:22PM (#9734028) Homepage Journal
    I guess I'm no longer a geek since our bedroom gets *plenty* of use... tho, not for gaming (at least not for computer gaming [grin]).
  • Oh, great (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 0x0d0a ( 568518 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:22PM (#9734031) Journal
    Oh, lovely. I can play games on a TV.

    Let's see:

    My computer monitor is higher-resolution than my TV.

    My computer monitor is sharper than my TV.

    My computer monitor has a higher refresh rather than my TV.

    My computer monitor has more accurate color than my TV.

    My computer monitor has fewer visual artifacts than my TV (shadowing, faint snow).

    My computer monitor uses a better interface to talk to my computer (using a monitor cable running a VGA signal) than my TV (which uses NTSC).

    My computer monitor can run at multiple resolutions, unlike my TV.

    Really, the only things that TVs have going for them are that they're big.

    Finally, it's not hard to get a sound card and video card that have TV out and audio out from the computer. As far as I can tell, this just loses the advantage of configurability that PC games allow.
    • Re:Oh, great (Score:2, Insightful)

      by geek ( 5680 )
      TV's also have this thing called a "couch" going for them. I love my couch, it's much better than my computer chair. I also prefer a game controller to the repetitive stress injuries from my mouse and keyboard. Not every game is an FPS you know.

      I think the Xbox is showing that with anti-aliasing resolution is moot, especially with HDTV sets.
      • by Anonymous Coward
        I have a couch in front of my computer desk, but that's just b/c ever since I broke 450 lbs I keep snapping the base off normal task or executive chairs.
      • I think the Xbox is showing that with anti-aliasing resolution is moot, especially with HDTV sets.
        So you are saying that resolution hardly matters to you as long as you have a very high resolution tv?
        • No. He's saying that with anti-aliasing, 480p (640x480 in 4:3 or 720x480 in 16:9) and a larger screen (minimum 27" 4:3 for most non-LCD HDTV displays), one doesn't notice or care that the game isn't being displayed at 1600x1200. Morrowind and KOTOR (two examples available on both PC and Xbox) looked great (the latter did sacrifice AA for extra detail) on my [27"] HDTV and I didn't have to pick up a $300+ video card to make it happen.

          The playing field will change even more with the next console generatio

      • TV's also have this thing called a "couch" going for them. I love my couch, it's much better than my computer chair.

        I'm currently lying on my bed and posting this from a desktop.

        When I'm in my living room, I have a diskless X11 workstation set up that I use to talk to my bedroom computer. I sit on my couch and use it, eat chips, whatever.

        Another person said "never underestimate the power of big".

        I have a second computer in my living room up front, where everyone in the room can easily seem what is bei
      • Re:Oh, great (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Sj0 ( 472011 )
        You'll have to explain to me the point where you absolutely require a TV to use a couch, or where you absolutely require a console to use a game controller. I sit at the couch and play computer games all the time(well, less lately since I've been using the PC a lot less and cycling a lot more, but I still get a chance to post on slashdot or play games once in a while), using a gamepad.

        Personally, I'm a fan of saitek controllers for the PC. Nicely designed; buttons are just mushy enough, plenty of heft to t
    • Re:Oh, great (Score:4, Informative)

      by Osty ( 16825 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @07:03PM (#9734244)

      Perhaps you need a better TV. Newer HDTVs fix almost all of the issues you mention. Better refresh rates and higher resolutions are the only real benefits of a monitor now.



      My computer monitor is sharper than my TV.

      My computer monitor has more accurate color than my TV.

      Perhaps your TV needs a calibration? Unfortunately, most HDTVs are setup out of the box to be used in a display room and not a home. The contrast is cranked up into torch mode, red colors are more emphasized, etc, because all of that makes the TV more appealing when alongside other sets at a shop. I'm of the opinion that all TVs should be sold with a free initial ISF calibration [imagingscience.com], but the calibration fee is cheap enough that you should still do it anyway (give yourself 6 months or so to break in the TV before calibrating, or you'll just find you have to do it again shortly).



      My computer monitor has fewer visual artifacts than my TV (shadowing, faint snow).

      My computer monitor uses a better interface to talk to my computer (using a monitor cable running a VGA signal) than my TV (which uses NTSC).


      Composite connections and even S-Video suck. You should use component (YPrPb) or RGBHV, or better yet DVI if your TV supports it. No more snow, and a much more vibrant picture. Oh, and NTSC is not an interface but a signal format. Snow and other artifacts you're seeing are more often caused by the interface rather than the signal format (of course, compression artifacting is the signal, and not the interface, but that's not what you were complaining about). The interface is RF coax (cable), composite (single RCA jack for video), S-Video (DIN connector), component (three separate RCA jacks for different channels of the video), RGBHV (red, green, blue, horizontal, and vertical all on separate RCA jacks), DVI (duh), and S-CART (for the rest of the world). These interfaces can carry different signal formats like NTSC, ATSC (the format for HD feeds), PAL60, PAL50, etc.


      My computer monitor can run at multiple resolutions, unlike my TV.

      This is true, but HD sets do support several resolutions, from standard 480i/p, to 720p and 1080i (and in some cases even 1080p, though you'll rarely find that outside of high-end projectors). At 1080i widescreen, you're still talking about pushing quite a lot of pixels. In many cases, I'd rather have a widescreen 480p signal and dedicate the hardware to making what pixels I have available look better, rather than try to push as many pixels as possible. You'd be surprised how amazing visuals can look even at such a "low" resolution (see Project: Gotham Racing 2 on XBox, for example)


      Finally, it's not hard to get a sound card and video card that have TV out and audio out from the computer

      While that's true, I've not found any that can give the same visual or audio quality as an XBox. Sound cards that have S/PDIF output are still quite expensive. Video cards that output component signals are almost non-existant (ATI has a component dongle, but no other manufacturer does -- you'll have to get a VGA transcoder for anything else, and in either case you'll have to play with resolutions and refresh rates to get a good picture with little or no overscan).



      • Re:Oh, great (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Sj0 ( 472011 )
        While that's true, I've not found any that can give the same visual or audio quality as an XBox. Sound cards that have S/PDIF output are still quite expensive.

        Since the X-Box uses an nvidia chip, it stands to reason that an nvidia sound card should do the trick. Most of my sound hardware is 20 years old(hey, when you buy quality, it lasts.) so I couldn't use it, but my stock asus motherboard came with optical sp/dif in and out.

        Just pointing that out. :)
  • BS. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dstillz ( 704959 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:23PM (#9734035) Homepage Journal

    'It's high time that the computer stop lurking in the shadows of dusty computer desks in forgotten rarely-used bedrooms. If PC gaming is going to survive it's going to have to do so in the well-lit family rooms and dens of America right along side the GameCube, PS2 and Xbox -- and this looks like a great way to start.'

    BS.

    PC gaming will survive, even if it's a niche market. There will always be college students in dorm rooms with modern computers that they were required to purchase. There will always be IT professionals with the wherewithal to keep up with the latest trends.

    Console and PC games combined do not make up the lion's share of the entertainment market. Neither do cinema ticket sales or DVD purchases. As long as there's room for someone to turn a profit, variety will persist.

  • by geek ( 5680 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:23PM (#9734036)
    ...with Rendezvous. I want my mac to be my "digital hub". I should be able to play music and movies on it from anywhere in my home, likewise with games. I see no reason why game controllers can't be made wireless and why the video signal can't be sent to my TV on the otherside of the room or house. All the pieces are here, someone just needs to "make it work". Just imagine pluggin in your Mac/PC and having it autodiscover your TV, Phone, Stereo via wireless ethernet and bluetooth etc etc.

    Someday guys, someday............
  • by Avoid_F8 ( 614044 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:23PM (#9734039)
    Last time I checked, the Xbox was nothing more than a stripped down x86 system that does nothing but play games. Doing this to any other PC would, in effect, make it just like any other console (albeit with customizeable hardware). But why bother?

    I play PC games for three reasons.
    1.) The latest hardware is almost always superior to that of a gaming console
    2.) I have a mouse and keyboard to use, which gives me much more control than a 12 button controller.
    3.) Online play is simply much easier and more popular on the PC and will always stay that way, despite what MS and EA would like you to believe. I think that it's also more fun, because console games generally attract more immature children.

    Doesn't anyone else realize this too?
    • 3.) Online play is simply much easier and more popular on the PC and will always stay that way, despite what MS and EA would like you to believe. I think that it's also more fun, because console games generally attract more immature children.

      I'm dubious. I think that if anything, online play will eventually be slightly easier on the console, because it's a closed environment.

      I think that it's also more fun, because console games generally attract more immature children.

      Actually, I think that most onl
    • 1.) The latest hardware is almost always superior to that of a gaming console

      It also costs a whole lot more to stay current, even if you factor in the cost of buying a good HDTV and DD5.1 home theater setup. As well, upgradeability is a two-edged sword. On the one hand, you can easily increase the capabilities of your machine, and get a better play experience. On the other hand, it makes software exponentially more difficult to write, and adds external dependencies such as drivers that games need to

  • I already do this (Score:3, Interesting)

    by JohnFromCanada ( 789692 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:24PM (#9734044)
    I already play all my sports game on my TV. I have a video card that supports TV out and it works great. I bought four of these controllers [nyko.com] and I find it to be much better than any of my consoles. I'm quite sure that lots of other slashdotters are already doing the same. This piece of hardware, like most Alienware products, is also way overpriced however I guess it would be perfect for people that aren't into building there own PCs.
  • PC / Console (Score:5, Insightful)

    by LaserLyte ( 725803 ) * on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:24PM (#9734045)
    While there are many advantages to using a PC as a console (such as expansiblity and the ability to use the system for other purposes), there are a few disadvantages too.

    First, rather than relying on a constant, single-purpose firmware OS designed specifically for the hardware you're running on, you have to rely on a third-party OS (designed to do a lot more than just run games), so it's inevitable that you'll end up with a lot more crashes, etc. Now, crashes and failures on "PCs" are generally accepted and tolerated, but on a consumer appliance, this is probably not the case.

    Second, you also have changing hardware. A developer writing a game for the playstation knows exactly what hardware will be there, exactly what to expect, and (probably) knows the exact hardware specifics. But, introduce the ability to change or upgrade hardware, and the constant environment changes. Also, there's probably not going to be any standard "controller".

    On a different topic, would most people going be using a keyboard/mouse with this,? If so, surely we're going back to needing a desk -- something most console users probably don't use when playing on their console.
  • by powerpuffgirls ( 758362 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:24PM (#9734047)
    For PC gaming to survive, it must receive acceptance from most family members. So a game that gives endless hours of enjoyment to one person is expensive at $50, but if it entertains 4 people, $50 is actually affordable, and it might even become a household grocery like biscuits or milk that everybody in the house eats or drinks.

    Having said all the above, the problem is not the lighting or forgotten bedrooms, it's the interior design of this computer room.

    If there's a fridge, a couple of lazyboy sofas and a coffee table in this 'computer gaming' room, i'm sure parents might venture in and stay there watching their kids knocking themselves out. In another word, we need a inviting gaming room.

    I have a 'movie' room, which is dark (for projector), a couch and some beverages, and everybody can't wait to go in there.
  • by dancingmad ( 128588 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:25PM (#9734053)
    I guess that's a reasonable first step but for me (a console gamer since I was a kid) it's not enough, for a number of reasons:

    The PC is suited to different kinds of games than a console, most notably RTSes and FPSes.

    You still have to upgrade computers (I know my 1.47 Athlon would need a huge upgrade to play Doom, my video card's a POS). With the consoles I can buy a machine and play any game that comes out for it (the console cycle is beginning to go more quickly, which is bad for the industry, but that's another submission entirely).

    It just works - I don't have to tweak framerates, graphic modes, whatever - console games just work. PC games have to be tweaked because they have to deal with weird (and sometimes misconfigured) hardware.

    My PC is usually doing something else - on IM, downloading, whatever, so this instant on feature doesn't help me much in that regard.
    • Ahh but also sometimes it just -doesn't- work. I've seen many a good console game ruined by bugs the developer didn't find before shipping, or didn't fix because they didn't think it would affect enough gamers to put a dent in their profits. Case in point is the recent release of Thief: Deadly Shadows. I have the game for PC and love it, as I'm sure a lot of console owners love it as well. The problem is, there's a nasty bug that resets the difficulty level to Normal when you save/load.

      On PC this isn't a

      • But you can fix console problems, in some cases:

        There's a bug in Pokemon that causes some problems. Gamers could bring in their carts to have the game updated.

        I agree though, console games need much more testing because with CDs there's less room for error.

        However, the game companies can be good guys about it: When Super Street Fighter 2 came out for the SNES (yeah, I'm old ;)) it would sometimes freezes up the older model consoles. I called Capcom's tech support about it and they shipped me a brand ne
  • "If PC gaming is going to survive it's going to have to do so in the well-lit family rooms and dens of America right along side the GameCube, PS2 and Xbox"

    Not sure how one figures that -- it seems to have done quite well for itself hiding away in all of the nerds' bedrooms...
  • I wonder what to 'lovely' people at Infinium Labs (why "Infinium" hasn't sued because of the name I've no idea) will think to that... a few upgrades later and you add broadband content (etc etc), mind the price gap makes the initial difference.

    Plus, if the big companies decided to start doing the console PC thing (where the cheaper prices will kick in), the market might get a little crowded.... and in light of IL's slight issues of pissing off the gamers they were appealing to in the first place (the the l

  • by Bauguss ( 62171 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:26PM (#9734061)
    Ok. I like pc games typically better than console games.

    But, the reason I haven't bought a new pc game in over 6 months is because I'm sick and tired of having to upgrade something on my computer. I love consoles. I can get any new games that come out. I can play them without worrying about performance. It is really just that simple. And for the price of a new video card to play the latest pc games, or a new motherboard+cpu, I can quickly buy the latest console and a game or two.

    That is the biggest hurdle for pc games. If they could come up with a standard where they say all new games must be playable on this minimum requirements without the minimum moving every 3 months then they might start doing better. They could quite easily control the industry to say the games must work on X until Y date when we upgrade the minimum standards)

    Just my opinion.
    • I agree. I am totally like you - I do prefer a good RTS or FPS on the PC to a console arcadey-FPS. However, it's such a pain in the ass to keep your PC running well. Constantly having to upgrade and also the pace is getting faster and faster with not even top-end machines being able to max out _current_ games (FarCry for example - even top of the range Athlon64 and 9800 Pro machines have problems at high resolution).

      Also, when you get your PC it's bloody hard to keep it running well, software wise. Process
    • That is the biggest hurdle for pc games. If they could come up with a standard where they say all new games must be playable on this minimum requirements without the minimum moving every 3 months then they might start doing better. They could quite easily control the industry to say the games must work on X until Y date when we upgrade the minimum standards)

      Just play games that came out twelve months ago. Plus, you get all the bug fixes and good prices.

      Computer game vendors just happen to release games
  • by foxtrot ( 14140 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:32PM (#9734082)
    The last four video cards I've purchased, dating back to 2000, all had TV-out. Getting gaming on my TV's easy: plug up an S-Video cable, turn on the PC.

    Is it just that someone's figured out how to market the stuff we've all had (admittedly, some of us unwittingly...) for the past half a decade or so?

    That said, I don't use S-Video out for gaming. I use it for movies...

    -JDF
  • It does to much (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TubeSteak ( 669689 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:33PM (#9734090) Journal
    Before you flame:
    With an Alienware DHS system, you can record and play live TV, burn music, create digital slideshows, download movies, surf the web, and much more, all from one incredible system quietly situated in your living room.
    Now I'm sure it can record more than 1 stream of video... right? Anyways, imagine this: Dad (the guy who bought this) has a show recording & Junior strolls in to try and play a game. Probably not going to work very well is it? Or the reverse, Junior is playing his game & the DVR functions kick in. The game starts lagging, because even with hyperthreading, the hard drive heads can't be in two places at once.

    I'm assuming a hardware digital tv tuner & mpeg encoder because they aren't using ATI's AIW. You've got internet access on your TV, we all know how messy that can get. Sister is reading e-mail & chatting and Junior wants to play games.

    This is just a setup for disaster if there's more than one child present. I'm sure families will use the fast-user-switching feature, what if it crashes? Shouldn't they wait for SP2 before shipping these out? God help you if there are porn popups while your parents watch TV.

    Imagine how much of a mess it'll be trying to kick someone off the computer so you can watch tv. This is a great idea w/fast hardware.... but it's not going to work for everyone.

  • let's compare (Score:4, Insightful)

    by bersl2 ( 689221 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:33PM (#9734092) Journal
    Console: standard hardware, OS, drivers, and software
    Computer: most anything goes
    Even though the diversity of the computer makes it sometimes troublesome, the personalization is why many of us like it.

    Console: drop in and play
    Computer: drop in, install, configure, and then play
    Only makes a difference if the middle two steps are hard for you.

    Console: played at the TV, using a controller
    Computer: played at a monitor, using keyboard and mouse
    I don't know about you, but I can't stand first-person shooters on a console, using a controller. Different types of games are controlled best in different ways.

    Console: used for playing games, and maybe CDs and DVDs
    Computer: used for playing games, and CDs and DVDs, and for productivity, development, Internet browsing, etc...

    For all I care, they can roll back the clock on computer gaming. But I am not playing Doom 3, Halflife 2, Halo 2, or any other FPS on a controller and going to enjoy it.
  • It is already very easy to plug your computer into a television via S-Video cable (with a decent graphics card, of course). But, as the article states, you 'need' to have your computer in your living room (mine are) to connect to the TV.

    At least in my situation, my computer monitor has much better resolution than my 27" TV, and has the ability to play games, audio, and dvd's. Not to mention it has a 5.1 sound system with some nice speakers, about the same or better quality than my stereo that's hooked up
  • Heh consoles (Score:3, Insightful)

    by east coast ( 590680 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:36PM (#9734118)
    Just as PCs in their current form will not exist in the near future (10 years give or take) neither will consoles. With the power of the common home PC and the increase in ownership consoles will lose in the long run. Not to even mention what Microsoft may do to the console market when the XBox gets a lion's share of the market. (for the naysayers remember that XBox has nearly unlimited funds behind it, when you have that kind of capital it's not a matter of it but rather a matter of when).
    • Do you have any data to back any of those wild claims out? You sound like another nerdy PC/Xbox gamer looking down his nose at consoles. Both have their place:

      Consoles have a number of great qualities, including relative cheapness and easy "install." PCs don't have that because they are so multifunction. A game as to be really good for me to want to bother installing it and configuring it on the PC, whereas on a console I can just drop something in.

      Also, PCs may become more ubiqitious, but not everyon
      • The parent needs to be modded Troll.

        Perhaps you should let others decide how to use their mod points.

        You sound like another nerdy PC/Xbox gamer looking down his nose at consoles.

        Uh... if I were an XBoxer why would I be looking down at consoles?

        PCs won't exist in 10 years? Where do you get that great fortune telling ability?

        Uhhh. I said : Just as PCs in their current form will not exist in the near future... You need to pay a bit more attention. Already look at the number of people going for portab
    • (for the naysayers remember that XBox has nearly unlimited funds behind it, when you have that kind of capital it's not a matter of it but rather a matter of when)

      Two inital responses:

      1) Yeah! Just like Ultimate TV and Microsoft Bob!

      2) Sony: "What am I? Chopped liver?"
    • "for the naysayers remember that XBox has nearly unlimited funds behind it, when you have that kind of capital it's not a matter of it but rather a matter of when"

      Uhm. Sony is bigger than Microsoft. Not just in consoles, in general. Since Sony is 6 or 7 times as big in consoles, Sony can spend proportionately less per unit and still outspend Microsoft. Further, Sony not only has the US market, but the Japanese market as well. Microsoft's only advantage is that they have historically been more profitab
  • Frankly, I feel that eventually, "personal computing" should mean the computing done by your clothing, with visual output sent wirelessly to your visors and audio to your earphones. Input needs to be totally redesigned. I personally think of something like a fat wand with buttons for "keyboard" input, and you just point and touch where the image is projected from your visors. a camera in the visor could track the wand, and since the camera is stationary with respect to the image in the visor, the two could
  • What? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by cfuse ( 657523 )

    PC games will do just fine, because I'll be damned if I will pony up the money for any game that features cute characters or green blood.

    • "I'll be damned if I will pony up the money for any game that features cute characters or green blood."

      Not to mention a lack of any type of real internet based multiplayer environment that has better play than RobotWars from my C=64.
  • Gentoo Games (Score:2, Interesting)

    by NeGz ( 629279 )
    This article reminded me of Gentoo Games, the Gentoo Linux sideproject that distributed Linux compatible games as LiveCDs; essentially achieving the same thing as the DISCover system. Unfortunately, gentoogames.com seems to have become a blank website, so the project may have died.

    I'm not really following how this DISCover system works. (I only skimmed the article, sorry) It says it uses a custom BIOS and scripts, and it's being used on a Windows Media Center powered machine. So does it fire up a game whe
  • by Drakino ( 10965 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:45PM (#9734172) Journal
    I've been waiting for this technology to come out ever since I saw it at E3. It will finally turn my Wintendo into a full game box. I buy a game, drop it in, and play. New patch comes out, it's taken care of for me. The less time I spend fixing my PC gaming box, the more time I spend playing. Some people get a kick out of administering their equipment, I get a kick out of getting something done. Thats why a Powerbook running OS X is my main system for production work, and not Linux or Windows. I also know Macs are not good for gaming due to the current market of not releasing hybrid games, hence keeping a Windows box around. Linux does well at serving stuff, so it sits in my basement, waiting for me to run emerge -U world from time to time, but otherwise just working beyond my initial setup.

    I don't intend to play games on my TV. Partially because I don't own one, but instead own a 27 inch monitor for TV watching. But I am highly interested in the tech behind it to just let me play.
  • From the web site:

    Record, pause, and play back live TV with a
    personal video recorder that works similar to a
    TIVO®.

    Create your own digital library by recording, storing,
    and burning up to 5000 CDs and 235 hours of video.

    So, what happens after 235 hours? Do you have to buy a new system>

    Saying that, I do believe there is a market for something between the size of a laptop and a desktop system.

    Personally, I wouldn't mind a laptop that came with a detachable 20" LCD, a
  • Introducing the Creative Labs (tm) 3DO Blaster [heimcomputer.de].

    This device was pretty awesome for the time. I worked at 3DO then, and thought it was tres groovy.

    Wish I'd thought to shell out the mere $HUNNERTS it cost at the time. Production ended almost as soon as it had begun.

    it's extremely rare now, and worth a purdy penny to collectors.
  • Um... not quite (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @07:14PM (#9734286)
    "If PC gaming is going to survive it's going to have to do so in the well-lit family rooms and dens of America right along side the GameCube, PS2 and Xbox"

    No, if PC gaming is to survive it needs to have good games that are written right the first time and don't require you to own hardware that only came out just last week to run them.

    Console gamers don't do PC gaming not because the installation process frightens us, it's because we don't consider it worth the time and money. Just because the games are plug-and-play and hook up to a television doesn't make them good. Just ask Acclaim.
    • Or Koei. (shudders)

      The lack of games by that company is enough to keep me on PCs forever anyway.

      Oh yeah, and the cost issue is only relevant if you didn't plan on having a PC in the first place. Even now the new games which absolutely require pixel shading and such are few and far between, to the point where I use my toshiba satellite 1400 with a Cyberblade XP for almost all of my gaming needs. Granted, I'm not an FPS freak, but I can play most games, especially strategy games, without a complaint. If a h
  • by Vacuous ( 652107 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @07:14PM (#9734287)
    I don't get this. PC gaming is already extremely mainstream and is far from a niche market. Even my freaking grandparents are PC Gamers, and it isn't like console games are grossly outselling PC games. The comment about bring PC gaming out to the family room instead of in a "computer room" is moot, who really cares if you play games in the family room or not? I am sure the gaming companies don't. Another point that has already been made by many slashdotters is that PC games are superior graphically on a monitor than on your standard TV.

    This is just Alienware trying to make a demand for something when there really is none.
  • by Bones3D_mac ( 324952 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @07:15PM (#9734291)
    Ok, I'm confused here... who is their target market supposed to be? I don't personally know anyone who would justify spending $2,000-$3,000 on a pc based game console that will be rendered obsolete well before the sub-$200 consoles will.

    Granted, they added features like Tivo style functions and the ability to surf the web and what not, but look at the history of such all-in-one devices in the past. When was the last time you bought a combo vcr/dvd player or a TV with dvd/vcr built into it?

    No sane person would buy into such gimmicks. if one part breaks, the entire unit will likely has to be replaced. At $2,000-$3,000 a pop to keep $500+ worth of hardware in one neat box, I just don't see what incentive they are offering to make it worth the extra $1,500-$2,500 in the price. (I do know I'm not that concerned about hiding a couple wires.)

    If they want to pitch this item as a game console, fine... then price it competatively with rest of the console gaming systems. If they don't want to lose the profits, then promote it as a niche market item, instead of confusing the consumers.

    While I don't want to discredit the "Discover" technology, I do predict this system will ultimately fail. No one is going to buy something that cost more than your average PC, just to play the latest games at NTSC resolutions.
  • This is good. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by RyuuzakiTetsuya ( 195424 ) <taiki@@@cox...net> on Sunday July 18, 2004 @07:27PM (#9734347)
    The arguments that the TV makes a poor monitor misses the point.

    The whole point is that PC gaming sucks. It really does. Complicated control schemes, techinical graphics settings, hardware incompatabilities, and 'we'll-fix-it-later' patching mindset really make the PC a poor gaming platform. This is supposed to allievate some of those problems. Which is good.
  • out of the closet (Score:4, Interesting)

    by pbjones ( 315127 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @07:41PM (#9734412)
    all of our home computer are in the areas where people live. 2 are in the lounge rrom for viewing DVDs, writing, gameing, browsing etc. We moved away from the TV as our central entertainemnt medium and now use our computers for a whole lot more of our recreational time, i.e. cold nights...
  • Anyone having any luck getting output from the PC to an HDTV? I've been trying to research options about this for the upcoming Doom3.

    I've a 34" Sony that can do 1080i and I'd love to get that working instead of my monitor.

    I've heard ATI is much better at this but I'd rather stay with NVIDIA because of the linux drivers. Have an old Geforce 3 200ti at the moment. Would love to hear people's experiences.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    Mind you, that consoles will prevail this war. They are designed for gaming; small caches, wide/fast busses, unlike computers that are in fact designed for general purpose usage.

    There's an article available on the subject here http://arstechnica.com/cpu/2q00/ps2/ps2vspc-1.htm l , for those interested.

    As a note; that article discusses the PS2 vs. the PC. Now, there's something else than MS cheap ass approach with a stripped down x86. And PLEASE note the specs. on video memory and processor speed for the ps
  • Outdated consoles (Score:2, Interesting)

    by phizman ( 742537 )
    Up until last week, I never played a console since the NES years ago. I recently played some PS2 games and was actually shocked at the poor quality of the games and of the console.

    The low resolution on the TV was the first thing that bothered me. Some ppl have pointed out that HDTV is a significant improvment, but a very high majority of people do not have one and will not be getting one for some time to come.

    All the games I played seemed to be far behind any current PC game for graphics quality, but th
  • oh, about 2K for a 'pc game system'? how much is the ps3 again?
    pc games ARE better, but not so much more that it warrants dropping an extra 1500 on a gaming machine. some people have money to burn, but not me.

  • by Mulletproof ( 513805 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @12:12AM (#9735640) Homepage Journal
    "If PC gaming is going to survive it's going to have to do so in the well-lit family rooms and dens of America right along side the GameCube, PS2 and Xbox"

    Whoops, PC Gaming vs. Console Gaming misconception #1: "PC gaming will die off because consoles will eventially have the same horsepower for a lower price."

    WRONG.

    It's an utter falicy that the PC needs to fight for it's life against a console in the gaming world for one simple fact-- Gaming on the PC is completely different. First, consider the kind of games you play on the PC versus those you play on a console. It's all an issue of complexity, and half of that is the input devices availible to you. Information management is where the console falls flat on it's face, into the mud and stays there. And it's not likely to get up anytime soon because of the fundemental philosophy behind it-- All information must be accessed through a gamepad in order to make gaming as brainless as possible. Even in comparible (and simpler) games, like FPSs, you will never find a device equal to a mouse, and it's something that console makers give a wide berth in favor of the formentioned philosophy.

    Also, the PC is the home of grass roots gaming. With a PC, you can become the next Counter Strike of gaming. Speaking of which, what was the last count of people playing that mod? Yeah, keep telling me PC gamin is in trouble 9_9 The PC will also always be the home of cutting edge gaming, since developers don't have to wait until the next full out console release 3 years down the road to push the envelope a little further. If it's good, people will upgrade their hardware right the and there just to buy your product, royalty free I might add. No console barons, specialized code/hardware required.

    But I guess we have to break out The Death of Gaming myth just to keep things lively now and then, right?
  • by CAIMLAS ( 41445 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @12:56AM (#9735814)
    So, what's the deal with the gaming industry? Are they unwilling to sell to the loyal customers that have put the industry where it currently is now - the geeks?

    It would seem to me that the following scenario might emmerge:

    - gamers are being abandoned by game companies for the mass-produced consumer markets
    - gamers will no longer have games that meet their interests
    - new, innovative home-brew companies will pop up to meet the need, producing more fun games

    THis might not be possible, due to the current situation with games where the development process is quite involved, but I still see it as possible. I personally hope it is, as I can't see myself playing many of the games made in the last few years...
  • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @02:24AM (#9736062) Homepage
    I'm primarily a PC gamer (or perhaps getting to be more of an ex-gamer, I haven't been really addicted since the original Unreal Tournament, heh), but a friend of mine purchased a Gamecube and 4 controllers. Playing Mario Party or some such game together, guzzling down some beers before going out is simply great.

    Is there any game on the PC that can be operated by 4 people, with only one machine? I doubt it. Two tops. The controls are hardly complex (which may be a good thing %-)... ) but it sure is fun. The PC is great if you're one person/PC, playing FPS/RTS/whatever. But for multiplayer without everyone bringing their own machine, it plain sucks.

    Kjella

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