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Duke Nukem Forever Tops Vaporware List 133

Posted by Zonk from the smells-like-burning dept.
Wired has an annual list of high-profile vaporware projects and the number of games on there is just depressing. Numbers 7, 6, 5, 2, and 1 are all videogame projects. When the Phantom is only #2, you know what has to be number 1. From the article: "Announced in 1997 and promised every year since, this game takes vaporware to new heights. Think about it, in just 13 months this game will have been in one form of development or another for a decade. This project started with a game based on the Quake 2 engine, then in 1999 it moved to the Unreal engine and has been stalled ever since."
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  • But But But (Score:3, Funny)

    by LiquidCoooled ( 634315 ) on Monday February 06, 2006 @05:47PM (#14654515) Homepage Journal
    Duke Nukem is in production [slashdot.org]?

    Say it ain't so.

  • Don't Panic (Score:5, Funny)

    by someguy456 ( 607900 ) <someguy456@phreaker.net> on Monday February 06, 2006 @05:48PM (#14654525) Homepage Journal
    Don't worry, it's painfully obvious that DNF will run on Vista running on a Phantom. In fact, these have the same launch day...

  • What?? (Score:1, Funny)

    by Ramble ( 940291 )
    Can't wait to get home so I can play Duke Nukem Forever on my 8-core Phantom while talking to my mates using a VOIP phone and recording HDTV over IPTV on my Media Center machine with a super-fast fiber-to-the-home connection.

  • In other news... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by the_skywise ( 189793 ) on Monday February 06, 2006 @05:51PM (#14654555)
    Water is wet!

    Although I think calling the new Legend of Zelda "vaporware" is off as its only late by... ooh...3 months.
    • Indeed. How much was the first Zelda game on the n64 delayed? I think it was like two years or so. It was quite traumatic for me. At least it gave me a goal those two years.....
    • What threw me more was mentioning how it was the most anticipated Zelda game since Ocarina. Despite the anti-cel-shaded/anti-young Link nonsense, Wind Waker had everyone and their mom geeking out over it and, as I recall, had more preorders than any other game before it.
    • Oh, Lord! That was halarious! Read the parent post and ignore the bottom line (as if it's a sig) and what to you get?

      In other news... (Score:5, Interesting)

      Water is wet!

      I had to laugh out loud at the moderator who labeled it interesting. If I could, I'd meta-mod that (+10 fricken halarious)!

  • When it comes out.

  • DNF isn't dead! (Score:2, Informative)

    by Esine ( 809139 )
    You guys should follow the most excellent 3D Realms forums [3drealms.com]! George Broussard has provided us .. um.. "a lot" of info about DNF

    It will come soon (as in 10 years), I'm sure! ;)

    -- dbg

  • google (Score:5, Insightful)

    by szembek ( 948327 ) on Monday February 06, 2006 @05:55PM (#14654598) Homepage
    I disagree with the author having the Google beta products in the list. Simply because a product doesn't change from beta to actual release for a while doesn't necessarily make it vaporware. Gmail has been implementing new features and improving ever since it was initially released as a 'beta'. I think I would file it under vaporware, if we kept reading slashdot posts about an upcoming mail service by Google only to never see anything. Also Google tends to use the term 'beta' quite loosely.

    • According to Wired's definition, it's vaporware. From the article:

      Sure, millions of people use these [Google] services every day, but by our definition, they're vaporware: "Any program that's in a never-ending, pre-release, beta-testing stage is considered vaporware, even if it's widely available."

      Any negative comments about a Google service are dismissed with "it's in beta, what do you expect?" on Slashdot. Google releases products when they're ready and they take a long time to become ready.

      I woul

      • Re:google (Score:4, Insightful)

        by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Monday February 06, 2006 @06:41PM (#14655030) Homepage Journal

        According to Wired's definition, it's vaporware.

        The only thing wired's an authoritative source on is how to make a magazine so ugly, gaudy, and unreadable that you lose half your subscribers. The only people who hung onto wired for that long were the ones who wanted to look like a nerd by having it on their coffee table.

        Wired articles tend to be punched up so much in order to be sensational that they lose any validity. They're not about the news, they're about giving them excuses to put pretty pictures and funky type in their magazine.

        No one who is anyone important takes Wired seriously.

      • Sure, millions of people use these [Google] services every day, but by our definition, they're vaporware: "Any program that's in a never-ending, pre-release, beta-testing stage is considered vaporware, even if it's widely available."

        I wonder if this definition would include the many open source projects that take years to reach version 1.0, and whether people would consider it reasonable to count them as "vapourware"?
    • I disagree with the author having the Google beta products in the list. Simply because a product doesn't change from beta to actual release for a while doesn't necessarily make it vaporware. Gmail has been implementing new features and improving ever since it was initially released as a 'beta'. I think I would file it under vaporware, if we kept reading slashdot posts about an upcoming mail service by Google only to never see anything. Also Google tends to use the term 'beta' quite loosely.

      Some companies

  • DNF (Score:5, Insightful)

    by singularity ( 2031 ) * <nowalmart.gmail@com> on Monday February 06, 2006 @05:57PM (#14654609) Homepage Journal
    I just noticed this on the DNF FAQ [planetduke.com]:

    1.8 - Will DNF be available on DVD?
    This still has not been decided yet, however the chances of this happenning are slim. It is important to note that DVD's are not mainstream yet, at least not in the software industry.

    Now, I almost never do any gaming on my computer, but I definitely think that any machine that is going to run DNF is going to have a DVD drive.

    Amazing that this product has been in development so long that means of distribution have even changed.
    • To launch Duke Nukem's latest adventure, they're renaming it Duke Nukem: Forever In Limbo!
    • That FAQ was probably written back when Duke Nukem Forever was first being hyped. Games had only just started being released on the new 'CD' medium back then.

    • Re:DNF (Score:3, Insightful)

      by drinkypoo ( 153816 )

      Now, I almost never do any gaming on my computer, but I definitely think that any machine that is going to run DNF is going to have a DVD drive.

      Are you kidding? At this rate, any computer that is going to run DNF is going to have a direct neural interface and a quantum holography storage device.

      • I don't think so, by the time DNF comes out, mankind would be killed off and the world ends and then the big bang comes along and then civilization starts again when finally DNF is released on a new technology called an Atari cartridge format.

    • Re:DNF (Score:5, Funny)

      by bigbigbison ( 104532 ) on Monday February 06, 2006 @07:30PM (#14655431) Homepage
      To be fair, in America, there are still very few PC videogames released on DVD -- and when they are, it is usually as a more expensive "collector's edition" while the regular version is still released on CDs.
    • It gets better actually. I remember when this game was announced and they mentioned it would take advantage of the new MMX features coming out in the P-166 and P-200 - 4 generations of cpu's later...

      How something can have a product cycle that long is a project managers nightmare - I mean the original specs must have been Windows 95 with at least 16 megs of ram etc. I suspect the game has been cancled, but the site hasn't been updated.
    • Duke Nukem plays you... forever.

  • For those too lazy to RTFA (Score:5, Informative)

    by ThomS ( 866280 ) on Monday February 06, 2006 @05:57PM (#14654610) Homepage
    The list: 10. High-def TiVo and TiVoToGo for Mac 9. AlphaGrip ergonomic keyboard/trackball 8. Blu-ray or HD-DVD discs 7. Team Fortress 2: Brotherhood of Arms 6. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess 5. StarCraft Ghost 4. Microsoft's Vista and Internet Explorer 7 3. Google -- betas galore 2. Phantom Game Service 1. Duke Nukem Forever
    • Of TivoToGo for Mac, one reader said: "We've been getting nothing but nebulous promises out of TiVo for months."

      And reader Aaron Ouellette said: "Tap, tap, tap, we're still waiting."

      Stop waiting for TiVoToGo for the Mac. Get Galleon [galleon.tv]. It brings TiVoToGo functionality to the Mac, Linux, Unix, and Windows, as well as the GoBack ability TiVo doesn't offer and many other features.

      • TiVo recommendations? (Offtopic) (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Xenophon Fenderson, ( 1469 ) <xenophon+slashdot@irtnog.org> on Monday February 06, 2006 @07:05PM (#14655239) Homepage

        Speaking of TiVo, I'm thinking about buying one but I don't know what to get. Some of my buddies were able to do some neat things hacking into their TiVos, and I'd like the ability to save off selected shows or movies without building a MythTV box (too much effort). Which TiVo should I buy, and what Windows/Linux/FreeBSD apps should I grab? Are there non-TiVo firmware images I should download and install on my TiVo? Can I just go out and buy a TiVo brand new and use it without having to mod it? Or, even better, is there a web site out there that explains everything? I googled for "tivo recommendations" and "which tivo to buy", but they didn't turn up anything interesting. It looks like the Series 2 DVR does everything I want except for burning stuff to DVD, but if I can just FTP the files off or something that'd be good enough for me.


        • Pretty much any TiVo will be upgradable. I have a 5XXX TiVo, and I upgraded mine. You want to get a modern one (don't get an older or used one), because the later ones sport a later kernel that supports drives bigger than 120GB (or if you put a 140 in, it'll only see 137GB, or whatever that limit was). Mine has 160GB in it, and I can record 180ish hours at full quality. With compression, I can fit about 4x that, but the compression they use is pretty bad on anything other than "High". Especially if you
          • I'll second this recommendation. I've had a series2 for about 3 years now and have been extremely happy with it. Out of the box it works just fine. No need to hack it if you don't want to. It is easy enough that your grandma could figure it out - which may seem like the TiVo isn't for the hardcore geek. The simplicity is the beauty of the whole thing. I spend most of my day dealing with computers - windoze, linux, clients, servers, code, the list goes on - something always needs fixed or updated or re
    • The funny thing is that I have an alphagrip at home -- #9 on the list. It did take a while, but it is here now.
  • DNF is only a long standing joke because its of interest to us.
    I'm sure our anticipation of that will be similar to how movie buffs react to news.

    Its taken 18 years to a get a sequel for Indiana Jones.

    DNF has loads of time yet.
  • Do Not Resuscitate.

    Duke Nukem had its chance, blew it (multiple times) and has been dragged along like a piece of toilet paper stuck to the button of a shoe.

  • Woah. News. (Score:3, Funny)

    by Kid Zero ( 4866 ) on Monday February 06, 2006 @06:01PM (#14654650) Homepage Journal
    Congratulations to the DNF team. Now we know what they mean by "Forever".

  • Free publicity (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Threni ( 635302 ) on Monday February 06, 2006 @06:09PM (#14654723)
    > Think about it, in just 13 months this game will have been in one form of
    > development or another for a decade.

    I can't believe there are still people who seriously think this is what's happened. Obviously they've not been working on it for 10 years. They must have decided at some point to work on other things and simply give the impression they were working on it, and have finally (perhaps) decided to release something. Not many companies get to pay nothing to have one of their major project ranges mentioned on a regular basis - good luck to 'em. I've bought several of their games on PSX and PC but I'm hardly hanging on for new games from them (or any other company for that matter). I'm happy to wait for reviews and screenshots of the finished product.

  • For runners, DNF == Did Not Finish (Score:5, Funny)

    by SurryMt ( 773354 ) on Monday February 06, 2006 @06:10PM (#14654733) Homepage
    Could there be a little similarity here?

  • WINE (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Pantero Blanco ( 792776 ) on Monday February 06, 2006 @06:15PM (#14654769)
    If products that have been in Beta for forever are classified as vaporware, WINE deserves at least an honorable mention. How long has it been in Alpha now? ;)

    (yes, I know it's often useful nonethess, but...)

  • The real vaporware (Score:4, Insightful)

    by dcapel ( 913969 ) on Monday February 06, 2006 @06:23PM (#14654854) Homepage
    is Desktop Linux. Sheesh, it is not the year of the Desktop Linux. It never will be. It will slowly grow, but just 'be' there. Yes, Martin Fink, I'm talking to you.

    • Re:The real vaporware (Score:2, Informative)

      by dcapel ( 913969 )
      Ahem, there is a not after the but in the previous post :)

    • Re:The real vaporware (Score:4, Informative)

      by Lisandro ( 799651 ) on Monday February 06, 2006 @06:52PM (#14655144)
      You can have a desktop linux NOW. Fetch a modern commercial distro (http://www.ubuntu.com/>Ubuntu, Mandrake [ubuntu.com], etc) or any [redhat.com] of the free [debian.org] ones [slackware.com] and you'll have an excellent desktop with little issues, if any.

          The people that bitch about the "linux desktop" haven't normally ever tried Linux and want something that feels like their WinXP desktop. If you're looking for that, yes, there's nothing like it now and probably won't be for a while. If you want an useable Unix desktop, there's a lot of excellent ones arround.
          You have a wide [kde.org] choice [gnome.org] of desktops [xfce.org] and window [enlightenment.org] and managers [fluxbox.org], and there's a lot [openoffice.org] of [www.koffice] excellent [mozilla.com] software [gimp.org] for them [gnucash.org]. A linux desktop is useable today, and by anyone - i had Ubuntu on a desktop for a while and my mother, who's 'computer-imparied' had zero issues using it. Besides being unable to find the blue E icon ;)
      • My killer app for Windows is Quicken. I've been using it since version 1, back before Linux's kernel hit 1.0 and before GNUcash development was started. My file is something like 12 MB in size. Whenever the topic of "how do I migrate from Quicken for Windows to GNUcash?" comes up, the solution involves a very tedious and lossy export/import of QIF files, usually with some childish jabs as to why I would ever use such a closed platform.

        I bought a Windows PC specifically to run Quicken after seeing how unb [versiontracker.com]
        • Come on, everyone has their killer apps. For some is Quicken, for others Office, for some others Photoshop, etc. The thing is, you can have a working, useable, productive desktop today. In your case, you're migrating OSs, so of course you'll bump into issues - just as if you switched to, say, OSX - but if you want to, it's doable. Now.

          As for Quicken => GNUCash, i'm sorry - i've rarely used either lately :( Quicken has a reputation for "locking-in" their clients though, so i'm sure the migr
          • Yes, you can have a basic desktop now: web browsing, e-mail, basic office suite, but the fact that "everyone has their killer apps" is the reason why Windows is and will remain the market leader. I'm not talking about people who stubbornly refuse to try an e-mail program other than Outlook; I'm talking about people who haven't found a suitable finance suite for Linux, doctors who have specialized billing applications, businesses who use Access databases far more than they know they should, and so on. The
      • You don't get it, do you? People don't want a choice of window managers, they want something that works. They don't want OpenOffice, which, while an excellent product, is bloated and not fully compatible with Office.

        What happens when I buy a multi-function printer? Will I be able to scan photos using it? Will my webcam work?

        If I decide to get into photo editing, will I be able to run Photoshop? When I do my taxes, will TurboTax run? Will I be able to play games?

        Will I be able to buy (mainstream) music and p
        • Maybe i'm lucky, but OO 2.0 imported every single Office document i've throwed at it perfectly. My epson inkjet printer works flawlessly, GIMP fulfils my (basic, admitedly) image editing needs just fine, and even my POS Concord webcam works. You can use your iPod just fine [gtkpod.org]. I haven't tried iTunes on Wine, but i did try Maple and it worked perfectly. So did Orcad, another software package i used quite a lot.

          It is good enough for most people, and that's right now. Of course you'll find a lot of

        • Well, I can tell you after installing it on 60 lab machines for the CS department at Virginia Tech, Mathematica will run on Linux. Which it should; it's natively a Unix application, and runs on things like Alpha/True64's too.

          It doesn't want to run, however, over cygwin on a windows box. Of course, there's a native Windows install for it, but running over cygwin, it's looking for fonts that no one knows where are. And if you said /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts, you'd be wrong.

          A multifunction printer will probab

        • Re:The real vaporware (Score:5, Interesting)

          by aussersterne ( 212916 ) on Monday February 06, 2006 @11:10PM (#14656835) Homepage
          No, you don't get it, it works NOW. My friend, in a management position at Intel corp., recently called me to bitch about Windows. I overnighted him a Fedora Core 4 DVD.

          He called me the next day, ready to try it out, apprehensive as hell. I told him not to sweat it, that he didn't even need me on the line.

          He booted from DVD, "Next-buttoned" everything from then on. It detected his 3D accelerator, his flatscreen monitor, his wireless network, and all of his hardware and dropped him in a nice desktop.

          He plugged in his late-model Brother laser printer. Autodetected upon plugin and away he went, printing.

          He plugged in his USB flash drive to test out access to office files. BOOM, icon appears on desktop. He double-clicks and up pops a file manager window showing his files.

          He double clicks on an MS Word file and it opens in OpenOffice, no problem.

          He plugs in his scanner and asks what program he needs to use to scan. I tell him to start GIMP and use the acquire tool, just like he would in Photoshop. The nice, user-friendly scanner dialog was just like he was used to in windows, and he scans three or four test scans and says "all good!"

          He wants to use his Olympus digital camera. I tell him to go for it, so he plugs it into USB and BOOM, an icon appears on his desktop. He starts copying images off of it.

          He normally copies his images to DVD-RAM, and he's got an external DVD-RAM drive that he made by installing a Panasonic LFD-211 in a USB case. I get a little nervous about this one, but he plugs it in to his USB hub, inserts a 4.7GB disk, and BOOM, there it is on his desktop.

          He drags-drops the files from his digital camera to the DVD-RAM drive, prints out the photo he'd scanned with gimp, and tells me that he has one last need: he's got to install MS Office, Photoshop CS, and FrameMaker.

          FrameMaker and Office, I tell him, are a go. Photoshop CS, not so fast. Does he need the whole suite? No? Then does he have Photoshop 7 onsite? Can he use that? Yes? Then we have a go. I point him to the Codeweavers website and he buys Crossover Office for the price of pizza and soda delivery, well under the cost of similar software for Mac OS.

          After downloading it, he double-clicks on the Crossover Office icon on his desktop. Up pops a window asking for his password, and a moment later, it's installed itself.

          I tell him to insert the Office XP CD and double-click on the "Setup" icon, just like he would in Windows. He does, and a few minutes later, he's got Office XP installed, including completed activation. He quickly does the same for FrameMaker 7 and Photoshop 7.

          He begins to ask "how do I start these," and a moment later cuts himself off with, "oh never mind, they've gone into the start menu in a group called 'Windows Applications'."

          He launches each one to test that it opens, saves, and prints files.

          An hour and forty five minutes after he originally called, we've gone from nothing to a full Fedora desktop, complete with printer, scanner, digital camera, flash drive, DVD-RAM drive, and major Windows applications, and I haven't had to answer a SINGLE QUESTION and have instead been listening to him talk mostly about his family.

          It's two weeks later, and I haven't had a SINGLE CALL from him asking for tech support help. His one comment, sent via e-mail:

          "Man, I can't believe how fast Linux is. Starting about last year I was thinkin' this PC was due for a replacement request, but I guess it was just XP."

          --

          Linux is ready NOW. Five years ago, there were a few unmitigated optimists that refused to admit that Linux wasn't ready yet. Today, there are a few unmitigated cynics that refuse to admit that it became ready sometime in the last 24 months.
          • Beautiful.

            Oh, that's so sweet. Wish I had mod-points.


            -FL

          • Well, it sure is good to hear that it can work so well, but there is still one thing:

            He said he wanted to replace his pc so I assume it's already a few years old and that explains all the hardware was recognised, but if you try this with a new machine you still have the problem that the latest wireless/usb/sound/etc devices are not yet supported and to get it to work is not exactly easy. It's not like you can just download a driver and install it like under Windows (in theory you could but the drivers s
      • You can have a desktop linux NOW. Fetch a modern commercial distro or any of the free ones and you'll have an excellent desktop with little issues, if any.

        What you won't have is the 97% of users that have remained loyal to Windows and the Mac. OS Platform Stats (January 2006) [w3schools.com]

      • You had Ubuntu and had no problems? I find that hard to believe considering that Ubuntu doesn't even have a compiler on its default install. Even assuming that everything you install can be installed from a package, I still have had to go through some dependency hell when getting things installed on Ubuntu. It was not that bad, and as a programmer with Linux experience nothing I couldn't get through in an hour or so. However, as a real desktop OS, Linux still has room for improvement. If your mom is anythin
        • I did - i had it for a few months while i was switching to a new computer. I eventually settled for Gentoo, but Ubuntu was quite nice, and, from a non-power user point of view, damn easy to use. Even more so Mandrake, which i ended up reccomending to a friend who wanted to try Linux - it's even better built up, and has things like repartitioning utilities that made the install a breeze.
      • The people that bitch about the "linux desktop" haven't normally ever tried Linux and want something that feels like their WinXP desktop. If you're looking for that, yes, there's nothing like it now and probably won't be for a while. If you want an useable Unix desktop, there's a lot of excellent ones arround.

        The OS that supplants Windows will not need to be "Windows Like" It will need to be vastly superior to Windows, in the same way that DVD's were vastly superior to VHS.

        Linux, sad to say, is not supe

      • The people that bitch about the "linux desktop" haven't normally ever tried Linux

        Or they have tried Linux and have had hardware whose driver successfully installed on Windows fail to install on Linux. I tried Mandrakelinux 9.1 when it came out and it found my ATI Radeon 9000 video card (but failed to start X), found my Canon S520 inkjet printer (but printed everything at 60% size because it misdetected my 600 dpi printer as a 360 dpi printer), and completely failed to find my Microtek Scanmaker 4850 fla

      • I installed linux (ubuntu), and after 1 hour of trying to get my wireless trying to work (unsucessfully), and two hours of trying to figure things out and arrange things to my liking (unsucessfully) I am going to say linux is NOT ready for the desktop.

        Ie, for anything in windows, you either right click or go to the control panel, and if you can't figure it out from there you have a really odd problem. I've only used a mac a few times, but whenever I try out my friends OS X laptop, everything seems intuitive
    • Desktop Linux is here now. Get over it.
    • I disagree that Linux on the desktop is vaporware. I have actually been running Linux on my desktop for 11 years. I am a Unix sysadmin, but the user threshold for running Linux on the desktop is dropping every year. Three years ago, my wife and kids switched (about the same time as Code Red stormed the Internet). I think that Linux is actually getting very very close to the point that my mother, who lives 800 miles away could run it.

      The most common comment I get when I say that my family runs it is "yeah,

    • Ubuntu is here, and is desktop ready, with all free software!

  • What about Too Human? Or Mario 128? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mouse_clicker ( 760426 ) on Monday February 06, 2006 @06:23PM (#14654859)
    Don't get me wrong, I love all of Silicon Knights' games, but Too Human has been in development since before The Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen (meaning over 10 years, probably more) and has switched consoles twice. Now, I have no doubt it'll eventually come out and most likely be excellent, but why is Twilight Princess or even DNF on the list and not Too Human?

    For that matter, why is Zelda on the list but not Mario 128? Mario 128 has been promised to us since, what was it, Spaceworld 2000? I could be mistaken, but regardless, it's been a while and we have seen no demoes, videos, or even screenshots, and it's switched development from the Gamecube to the Revolution. How is Twilight Princess being delayed 4 or 5 months but still having videos, screens, and demoes galore count as vaporware, but Mario 128 not? Odd...

    -Moses

  • Yes, thank you. -- team fortress 2 (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Tibor the Hun ( 143056 ) on Monday February 06, 2006 @06:40PM (#14655027)
    The original team fortress (not the original, original quake one, but halflife one) was my first serious team based game and i have many great memories playing it.
    but this whole hl2, but no tf2 experience has left me pretty raw towards valve. heck I was even willing to go along with their steam delivery, hoping that they'd deliver tf2 one of these days, but they've been dragging their feet too long..
    in the mean time we've had the wonderful and free Wolfenstein: ET released, and the upcoming quake wars: ET, which should be the best game ever made...

    i'm glad someone has the courage to tell valve that they've dropped the ball on this one.
    • From everything I read about TF2 when people were still under the impression it was coming out, it was very similar to a WW2 online shooter and Battlefield 2 .. which if they released a product like that now it would be pretty much white noise. I think Valve's best shot at TF2 is to go to the TF roots and just make it a really fun game with some innovation, balance and diversity in classes. For the love of god just dont copy BF2, I want old school TF.
    • What's Team Fortress 2 about anyway ? I guess a soldier-based shooter, where you fight each other in squads lead by a squad leader, while the whole team is commander by the commander. Oh wait, Battlefield 2 has totally armageddoned the need for this game. It has deleted the reason for this game to even exist. Maybe if they improve TF2 by allowing you to ride various vehicles, or fly planes ? No sorry, BF2 has that as well.

  • HD-TiVo (Score:4, Informative)

    by ivan256 ( 17499 ) * on Monday February 06, 2006 @06:45PM (#14655067)
    From the article:(The cable-card) high-definition TiVo (was) announced at CES 2005, probably will be re-announced at CES 2006.

    Actually, it was announced at CES 2004 for release in the first half of 2006. It's not even late yet.
  • There's never going to be a Duke Nuk'em Forever. It's a joke. They'll keep that up forever until people get tired of it and realize that they've been had.

    The studio has other products that they focus on and they're going to be the ones forever. DKF is dead, really it is, but every time someone says it's dead, someone goes to the site and checks the forums where George Broussard has posted "It's not dead" for the nth time.

    Give it up people, laugh at George Broussard's joke and move on with life....
  • DNF [slashdot.org] vaporware [slashdot.org] of the year? [slashdot.org]

    I thought they would stop nominating it after a life time award... I mean, dead horse and all that

  • Weak, as usual (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Godai ( 104143 ) * on Monday February 06, 2006 @07:32PM (#14655449)
    Every year they hash in a bunch of weak entries.

    Personally, I don't consider something vapourware that's delayed from the end of the year in question to first quarter of the following. Maybe I'm picky, but I prefer my vapourware to be talking in years, not months. But every year, they pick at least one or two. Zelda being delayed 3 months does not, I think, get it the 'vapourware' sticker.

    And c'mon, Google? That's a real strech. All the things they mention you can use just fine. By other people's definition, they're finished, but Google's fussy. That's not 'vapourware'. Geez, they must have been seriously hard up for ideas or something.

    Starcraft: Ghost is more on the nose, though not in Duke Nuke Em's league. The Phantom is aptly named. Complaining about Blu-Ray or HD-DVD seems a touch premature I think, given how long it takes hardware standards to formalize, but at least there's a little substance there. TF2 has been in the works forever.

    Vista, well, it's been delayed a couple of years so I guess it qualifies, even if it's one of those things that's guranteed to come out, in a way like nothing else on that list, even if does take another three years.

    • Personally, I don't think Starcraft: Ghost should be in there either. Sure, it's been in development for a long time, but Blizzard are renowned for taking a long time to develop games, and it shows through in their track record. Good games take time to develop, companies like Rockstar North and Blizzard who take their time in development produce the highest quality games (eg GTA series, Starcraft/Warcraft/Diablo etc).

      I'd rather they took their time to get things right, rather than the EA model of "ready

    • Re:Weak, as usual (Score:2, Insightful)

      by jonadab ( 583620 )
      > Vista, well, it's been delayed a couple of years so I guess it qualifies, even if it's
      > one of those things that's guranteed to come out, in a way like nothing else on that
      > list, even if does take another three years.

      I'd count Longhorn/Vista as vaporware. It was going to come out in 2003 (or was it 2002?). The original projected release date for *Blackcomb* (the release that was going to be after Longhorn) passed in late 2004. It's now early 2006. However, it's not the total quantity of dela
      • I didn't feel good qualifying Vista, it's mostly that no matter how sure you are of any of the other entries, Vista is more sure of coming out. Some things are simply inevitable: death, taxes & a new version of Windows. Still, given it's checkered past and changing feature set, you're right, it's pretty much a sterling example of vapourware.
  • Now, wasn't Duke Nukem [wikipedia.org] released in 1991? So, it can't be forever top vaporware unless you can't find it in your local 7-11 anymore.
  • If it's been this long and they haven't cancelled it yet, they might just see it through to release. In which case I will be there to link to my post and say "I told you so," and all those people who claimed that it would never be released are going to turn over in their graves (as most of them will be dead by then).
  • It would make a great episode in Futurama. Think of it, the idea that DNF is not released by the year 3k is very plausible...
  • they put DNF at #1 but dont even mention Fallout 3?!
    bah!
    they are both 'in production' I guess....oh well - some day =/
  • How could there ever be a mention of the word "vaporware" without mentioning Project Xanadu [wikipedia.org] . For some people that is the ultimate vaporware: How about being delayed since the 1960's?

  • My top vapourware vote goes to Elite IV [frontier.co.uk]. I doubt that it will ever see the light of day, despite how many rumours and articles I read about it.

  • I still waiting for Leisure Suit Larry 4
  • The next realease of enlightenment deserves a spot of honor somewhere on the list. It seems to share DNF's release date of "when it's ready", though it has only been 3 years, not nearly 9.
  • Another vapourware product, probably not well-known to the crew at Wired, but important for us slashdotters:

    Ogg Vorbis bitrate peeling.

    Remember how it was going to revolutionise portable audio? Download/rip your music once and peel bits for whatever your application - keep the original for your home theatre and peel lots of bits for your iRiver.

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